Forced Performance is Selling Taiwanese turbos
09-01-2007 | 12:52 PM
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Yep, sure is. Like I said, I know my taiwanese turbos.
Before this thread gets way outta control, please post all ad hominem attacks here
https://www.i-club.com/forums/subaru-general-30/momentum-turbo-users-169890/
And like I said before, I don't know anyone at FP, never did business with them, I'm not in business for myself. Nor am I in business with anyone that sells car parts-in fact, some of the people I am friends with actually sell FP turbos.....
Before this thread gets way outta control, please post all ad hominem attacks here
https://www.i-club.com/forums/subaru-general-30/momentum-turbo-users-169890/
And like I said before, I don't know anyone at FP, never did business with them, I'm not in business for myself. Nor am I in business with anyone that sells car parts-in fact, some of the people I am friends with actually sell FP turbos.....
Last edited by Taiwan Turbo; 09-01-2007 at 01:02 PM.
09-01-2007 | 12:56 PM
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Are the turbos any good? Probably. Just like the MOMENTUM units-there are plenty of those things still kicking out there. I just don't like FP going around trashing other people's taiwan turbos on other forums just to squash another vendor selling an identical product.....
EDIT: Does FP have good customer service? AFAIK, absolutely. Will any turbo problems be handled immediately? AFAIK, yep. Should FP disclose that their turbos are not mitsubishi turbos? You decide, I guess.
Last edited by Taiwan Turbo; 09-01-2007 at 01:08 PM.
09-01-2007 | 01:28 PM
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Not attacking you, just trying to get the big picture.
From my point of view, new dude shows up talking poorly about a known/established company/vendor.
Since this new dude knows way more than average joe, he comes across as someone from the industry with an axe to grind.
Do you?
If everything you claim is correct, are you just bitter that they haven't been "caught"?
How can you prove your claims?
It's difficult to follow all the links to all the various forums where you've gone.
Why did Nasioc ban you if you can prove your claims?
I completely agree with you with Taiwanese/Chinese/etc crappy rip off products from pens to turbos. It's down right criminal.
My business neighbor bought...not from me... a "Garret" turbo kit for a vehicle he has; it's a Taiwan knock off & I told him so.
It looks 80% real; no data tag, heavy flashing on the seams, etc.
Who knows how it will last, but one thing is sure, you get what you pay for.
From my point of view, new dude shows up talking poorly about a known/established company/vendor.
Since this new dude knows way more than average joe, he comes across as someone from the industry with an axe to grind.
Do you?
If everything you claim is correct, are you just bitter that they haven't been "caught"?
How can you prove your claims?
It's difficult to follow all the links to all the various forums where you've gone.
Why did Nasioc ban you if you can prove your claims?
I completely agree with you with Taiwanese/Chinese/etc crappy rip off products from pens to turbos. It's down right criminal.
My business neighbor bought...not from me... a "Garret" turbo kit for a vehicle he has; it's a Taiwan knock off & I told him so.
It looks 80% real; no data tag, heavy flashing on the seams, etc.
Who knows how it will last, but one thing is sure, you get what you pay for.
09-01-2007 | 01:47 PM
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http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../usabalrt.shtm the standard for saying that something is "made in the USA"
I got banned because someone reported me for posting that garrett GT30 turbos suck. Jokingly. Do I suck on the forums? Obviously! I closed that thread because I was so PO'd.... which, BTW, is not the best way to get people to try your turbos!
I don't think it was taiwan-probably china. It is the same kind of thing, though-when you say you're selling a Garrett, it should be a true garrett. If you are selling a mitsubishi, it should be a mitsubishi. If not, make it clear so people know what they are buying.
Even worse, don't try to add value to a product by saying that you make it. No, it's make in Taiwan.
I got banned because someone reported me for posting that garrett GT30 turbos suck. Jokingly. Do I suck on the forums? Obviously! I closed that thread because I was so PO'd.... which, BTW, is not the best way to get people to try your turbos!
I completely agree with you with Taiwanese/Chinese/etc crappy rip off products from pens to turbos. It's down right criminal.
My business neighbor bought...not from me... a "Garret" turbo kit for a vehicle he has; it's a Taiwan knock off & I told him so.
It looks 80% real; no data tag, heavy flashing on the seams, etc.
Who knows how it will last, but one thing is sure, you get what you pay for.
My business neighbor bought...not from me... a "Garret" turbo kit for a vehicle he has; it's a Taiwan knock off & I told him so.
It looks 80% real; no data tag, heavy flashing on the seams, etc.
Who knows how it will last, but one thing is sure, you get what you pay for.
Even worse, don't try to add value to a product by saying that you make it. No, it's make in Taiwan.
Last edited by Taiwan Turbo; 09-13-2007 at 05:22 PM.
09-01-2007 | 01:56 PM
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Ok I finally found it! This is the thread that got me permanently banned for life from NASIOC
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/arch.../t-851517.html
lifetime ban.
Yeah I know, not the best way to sell turbos, but I was totally unprepared for the flame action by far. I actually tried to report the thread to the moderators, but no one would do anything, because two of the people hijacking were moderators. God I hate nasioc!
If anyone wants to know how to get banned on NASIOC, just post this
"MomentumTurbos09-29-2005, 03:32 PM
I would like to restate for the record that you, Roo, are a butthole. Since no one is moderating this thread, I can just attack people, right?"
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/arch.../t-851517.html
lifetime ban.
Yeah I know, not the best way to sell turbos, but I was totally unprepared for the flame action by far. I actually tried to report the thread to the moderators, but no one would do anything, because two of the people hijacking were moderators. God I hate nasioc!
If anyone wants to know how to get banned on NASIOC, just post this
"MomentumTurbos09-29-2005, 03:32 PM
I would like to restate for the record that you, Roo, are a butthole. Since no one is moderating this thread, I can just attack people, right?"
09-01-2007 | 01:58 PM
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Well, you're probably correct. However, if they buy mitsubishi parts and assemble the turbo in the US, they can call it a mitsubishi. If they buy china/taiwan parts and call it a mitsubishi.......
09-01-2007 | 02:13 PM
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09-01-2007 | 02:42 PM
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I wonder how many of these 16/18/20g variants on the market come from the same manufacturer in Taiwan. It would really explain the lack of consistency and numerous unexplained failures. It seems that quality control among most of these turbos is almost non-existent. As far as FP... the only turbos from them I've actually been impressed with are the Green and Red. I wonder if these come from the same sources.
09-01-2007 | 03:28 PM
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I wonder how many of these 16/18/20g variants on the market come from the same manufacturer in Taiwan. It would really explain the lack of consistency and numerous unexplained failures. It seems that quality control among most of these turbos is almost non-existent. As far as FP... the only turbos from them I've actually been impressed with are the Green and Red. I wonder if these come from the same sources.
The green is definitely now a taiwan turbo. In the past, it was MHI. The red probably is, but it looks like a genuine MHI cover. The easiest way to tell is the color of the bearing housing/turbine housing.
That's pretty much it-the taiwan factories don't have a QC process in place that is from the last 20 years. The only thing they do is take representative samples from inventory and test them.
AFAIK, Deadbolt uses genuine stuff, so does slowboy. Who else is pimping 18/20/16g turbos out there?
Last edited by Taiwan Turbo; 09-01-2007 at 04:13 PM.
09-01-2007 | 04:00 PM
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I had heard of this problem from another vendor in australia about the TW turbos
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1334960
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1334960
09-01-2007 | 10:41 PM
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I don't know for sure, but it looks like blouch uses a OEM mitsubishi compressor housing. Which means that they probably use a full mitsu turbo-if they could just buy the taiwan compressor housing and not machine it, I bet they would. I don't think anyone just buys a mitsubishi compressor housing so they can put a $100 machine job on it just to make it fit.
EDIT: I have never seen the blouch turbo up close-just making a comment based on their website.
EDIT: I have never seen the blouch turbo up close-just making a comment based on their website.
Last edited by Taiwan Turbo; 09-01-2007 at 10:50 PM.