Virginia Tech... shooter's motivation?
04-17-2007, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
A well regulated militia is not neccesary for the security of a free state if there is a standing army (which there wasn't when the 2nd amendment was written). Besides, the constitution is not writen in stone. Prohibition went in and back out. And if I remember correctly, there was a phrase in one of the original amendments that defined black Americans as some fraction of the political value of white Americans...
the constitution needs updates, and in my opinion the 2nd amendment is one that is in dire need of an update.
Besides, as Salty has said about the first amendment (when he points out that your freedom of speech is not as garaunteed as you think), your 2nd amendment rights are not as clear cut as you'd like to believe.
the constitution needs updates, and in my opinion the 2nd amendment is one that is in dire need of an update.
Besides, as Salty has said about the first amendment (when he points out that your freedom of speech is not as garaunteed as you think), your 2nd amendment rights are not as clear cut as you'd like to believe.
Your desire to usurp the Constitution is also crystal clear.
04-17-2007, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Good. Because for all you know he charged into that classroom and some guys went at him and got killed, immediately thwarting any attempt. You just don't know so stop with the coulda woulda crap.
We all know if it were a group of Republicans in those classrooms they would have taken out the killer with laser beams from their eyes, and saved the world much like the republicans of today have done!
We all know if it were a group of Republicans in those classrooms they would have taken out the killer with laser beams from their eyes, and saved the world much like the republicans of today have done!
Why you gotta do that? Republicans? No. Those with experience? Probably. But that's not important and i'm not judging the victims, but rather what society has allowed us to become. And it’s not like survivors aren’t coming forward. According to first-hand accounts students laid down land/or hid, allowing the shooter to walk around and kill them, instead of having some backbone. Who does that? I watched an interview of a student that survived because she acted dead!
04-17-2007, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 06WRX4ME
anyone know why he did it?
He was crazy?
Best Chris Rock voice
"Whatever happened to just CRAZY?"
04-17-2007, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Weird huh?
A room full of students could easily apprehend a man with two pistols. Even if it meant one or two of them getting hit with a stray bullet it sure beat the inevitable slaughter that was about to take place or was actually happening.
Sorta proves the old assumption that the situation does not make the man... an old debate i'm sure you've heard about when talking about gallantry. I wonder if anyone tried to stop him? The professor?
A room full of students could easily apprehend a man with two pistols. Even if it meant one or two of them getting hit with a stray bullet it sure beat the inevitable slaughter that was about to take place or was actually happening.
Sorta proves the old assumption that the situation does not make the man... an old debate i'm sure you've heard about when talking about gallantry. I wonder if anyone tried to stop him? The professor?
04-17-2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
ummmmm.......
He was crazy?
Best Chris Rock voice
"Whatever happened to just CRAZY?"
He was crazy?
Best Chris Rock voice
"Whatever happened to just CRAZY?"
Because asking "why he did it" turns it into a societal problem, which it is not. He was a lunatic.
04-17-2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
The 2nd is crystal clear.
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Your desire to usurp the Constitution is also crystal clear.
04-17-2007, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Exactly.
Because asking "why he did it" turns it into a societal problem, which it is not. He was a lunatic.
Because asking "why he did it" turns it into a societal problem, which it is not. He was a lunatic.
04-17-2007, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
While I suppose I'd rather die making some sort of effort to defend myself and the people around me, I wouldn't pretend for a second that it's reasonable to expect anybody who was actually there to do anything.
04-17-2007, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Why you gotta do that? Republicans? No. Those with experience? Probably. But that's not important and i'm not judging the victims, but rather what society has allowed us to become. And it’s not like survivors aren’t coming forward. According to first-hand accounts students laid down land/or hid, allowing the shooter to walk around and kill them, instead of having some backbone. Who does that? I watched an interview of a student that survived because she acted dead!
But seriously, her tactic worked for her didn't it? She's alive because she played dead. And there was an Air Force Cadet that died, I wonder if he tried to do anything? The fact is we don't know, and may never know.
I know one thing, if a guy has a gun in each hand I am not charging him, period. You may but you would most likely end up dead. Now if one could get the jump on him somehow sure but this all happened in the classrooms in a span of about 5 minutes, to college kids who most had probably never experienced a serious fight or flight situation. What do you expect them to do?
04-17-2007, 12:15 PM
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its the fight or flight reaction. when people are faced with a life or death situation they dont know how they will respond until that exact second. I had to lock and load on a guy in Iraq and did it without thought because that is what I was trained to do. Was literally seconds from shooting him to save someones elses life and later that night I threw up all night.
04-17-2007, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 06WRX4ME
its the fight or flight reaction. when people are faced with a life or death situation they dont know how they will respond until that exact second. I had to lock and load on a guy in Iraq and did it without thought because that is what I was trained to do. Was literally seconds from shooting him to save someones elses life and later that night I threw up all night.
Question:
If the hijackers of Flight 93 had guns do you think those guys would have tried to take back the plane?
04-17-2007, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
But seriously, her tactic worked for her didn't it? She's alive because she played dead.
But you're right, we'll most likely never REALLY know for sure... but my money is still on nothing happening given the latest from survivors. Just doesn't give me hope for society... can I at least have that?
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04-17-2007, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
You would think the basic instinct to survive would be enough. But that holds no water because according to latest testimony of survivors that did not flee nothing happened on their part. So i guess you're right.
"If I rush this guy, or try to organize a rush, I get shot. If I pretend I'm dead, maybe I don't get shot."
04-17-2007, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
but my money is still on nothing happening given the latest from survivors. Just doesn't give me hope for society... can I at least have that?
Now if he charged into West Point maybe the outcome would have been different.