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Old 07-29-2004, 07:04 PM
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There seems to be some confusion... *updated Anti-Kerry video from same vet group*

...so bear with me, por favor.

Here's a great URL from the men that served with Kerry. There are many like this but this one comes straight from those that matter.

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html

http://www.swiftvets.com/

I'm not posting this as ammunition for Bush in the slightest. I think his convenient loss records, rumors of him going AWOL from ANG and other rumors regarding his CIA career smell like complete ****.

I'm mainly posting because of this:

Originally Posted by WagonMonster
It's amazing how the conservatives are desperately trying to find something wrong with Kerry's military service when the fact if the matter is that Bush is a draft dodger who didn't even show up for his cushy National guard gig.
I'm not attacking Will (because he's a very knowledgeable person) either but this seems to be the general census on Kerry's military service. This is not the case and those who have served know the exact character Kerry possessed during his time in service. Basically the everyday ****bag who'd complain about everything from a 30click hump to an early first call etc.

Just want to make sure you know the facts and understand I have nothing to gain from this... I just want to clear up the confusion by encouraging you to browse that site in order to get educated on Kerry’s service.

This means so much to the Veterans that they even went out of their way to issue a cease and desist letter to the Kerry Campaign: http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php...40706115551657

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I look at it this way: The same military that gave Kerry medals also gave Dubya an honorable discharge. We either accept them both or we accept neither.
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Originally Posted by FUNKED1
I look at it this way: The same military that gave Kerry medals also gave Dubya an honorable discharge. We either accept them both or we accept neither.
Fair enough.
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Fair enough. I've had this argument before as well. Kerry, however did have most of his crew behind him on stage tonight, as well as a man whose life Kerry saved who volunteered for the campaign. Take that for what you will.
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Yep... this guy is a piece of work.
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Finally something that's not politcally motivated but focuses on the truth. Like i've said before... i've seen guys put themselves in for awards they never earned.

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html
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I have been looking for this info. Amazing how much Kerry panders to the vet establishment while maintaining a dove stance... typical political hypocrite.

As bad as Bush's pandering to the religious right.
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Originally Posted by dub2w
I have been looking for this info. Amazing how much Kerry panders to the vet establishment while maintaining a dove stance... typical political hypocrite.

As bad as Bush's pandering to the religious right.
I somewhat agree with you.. imagine that (Kerry is being a hypocrite).

I don't think Kerry is pandering, though.. he is using vets like a two-dollar *****.
I just wish Kerry would burn the flag when he's falsely wrapping himself up in it.

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Served with?

ONLY ONE SERVED WITH KERRY!!

MOST OF THE REST WERENT EVEN IN COUNTRY THE SAME TIME KERRY WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wonder where a group of vets got all the money for their adds, their books, their website etc.


OH WAIT I KNOW!!!!!!

veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth,
http://www.spaethcom.com/about_executive.html
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...=Merrie_Spaeth

Find her on this list i dare ya!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows/news/20030127.html


DONT LOOK NOW BUT ITS AN EVIL LAWYER!!!!!!!
eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason...ill/index.html
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill


( OT ) The GOP's not-so-impartial hit man
by "Jim" <Jimdotedu@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2004 at 09:35 AM

Desperate to denigrate John Kerry's war record, Republicans have trotted
out a "nonpartisan" Navy Vietnam vet -- who was a protege of Nixon dirty
trickster Charles Colson and whose law firm is closely tied to the Bush
White House.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Joe Conason



April 23, 2004 | Houston attorney John E. O'Neill, the Navy veteran who
has emerged recently as a harsh and ubiquitous critic of John Kerry's
military service, tells reporters that he has never really been interested
in politics and isn't motivated by partisan interests. In the media,
O'Neill
is often described simply as a Vietnam vet still enraged by the antiwar
speeches Kerry delivered more than 30 years ago. That was when O'Neill
first
came to public attention as a clean-cut, pro-war protégé of the Nixon
White
House's highest-ranking dirty trickster (aside from the late president
himself), Charles Colson.

Colson, who went to prison for Watergate crimes, saw O'Neill as a perfect
foil to Kerry, whom Nixon and his aides feared as a decorated, articulate
and reasonable opponent of the war and their regime. Indeed, O'Neill was
perfect -- a crewcut officer who had served on the same Navy swift boat
that
Kerry had commanded, although their stints in the Mekong Delta didn't
overlap. In June 1971, Colson brought O'Neill up to Washington for an Oval
Office audience with Nixon. His impressions live on in a memo filed later:

"O'Neill went out charging like a tiger, has agreed that he will appear
anytime, anywhere that we program him and was last seen walking up West
Executive Avenue mumbling to himself that he had just been with the most
magnificent man he had ever met in his life."

Now O'Neill has emerged from those decades of silence, roaring
denunciations
of the man who will become the Democratic nominee for president this
summer.
"I saw some war heroes," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Tuesday. "John
Kerry
is not a war hero."

To establish his nonpartisan credentials, O'Neill assured the CNN anchor
that he was "never contacted" by the Bush-Cheney campaign. What he didn't
mention, however, is that his law firm boasts long-standing and powerful
connections with the Bush White House.

With an oil and litigation practice focused on the defense of major energy
and industrial firms, the dozen partners in Clements, O'Neill, Pierce,
Wilson & Fulkerson have clout that exceeds their firm's small size. Their
corporate clients include Exxon Mobil, General Electric, Reliant Energy,
Koch Industries and Eastman Kodak. More important, among the name partners
is Margaret Wilson, the former general counsel to George W. Bush during
his
second term as Texas governor. (She succeeded Alberto Gonzales, who
currently serves as White House counsel.)

In 2001, Wilson went to Washington with the new president, who appointed
her
deputy general counsel in the Department of Commerce. During her tenure as
Bush's counsel in Austin, she was implicated in the Service Corporation
International funeral home scandal. State government whistle-blower Eliza
May accused Wilson of participating in an effort to "intimidate" her from
pursuing an investigation of SCI, a major Bush campaign donor.

Among the firm's partners with close ties to Bush was "Tex" Lezar, who ran
for lieutenant governor on the Republican ticket with him in 1994, when
Bush
won and Lezar lost. An indefatigable conservative activist and lawyer
sympathetic to the most extreme elements in Southern GOP circles, Lezar
died
last January at the age of 55. Before joining the Clements firm, Lezar
served in the Reagan Justice Department, where he befriended Kenneth
Starr,
whom he often defended to the press when Starr was pursuing the Clintons
as
Whitewater independent counsel. In later years, Lezar held important
positions in the Federalist Society, Empower America, the Texas Public
Policy Foundation and various other right-wing organizations.

As for O'Neill, his Republican loyalties may well have been cemented in
1974. Three years after Colson first brought him to the White House to
meet
with Nixon, who encouraged the young O'Neill to "get" Kerry and the
protesters in Vietnam Veterans Against the War, he launched his legal
career
with a coveted clerkship in the United States Supreme Court. No doubt it
was
mere coincidence that O'Neill clerked with William Rehnquist, the
controversial conservative who was Nixon's favorite justice and who went
on
to be appointed chief justice by President Reagan.

Nixon is gone, but his political heirs possess the White House -- and no
doubt the disgraced politician would be pleased and proud that they are
harassing Kerry with the same zeal that first brought Karl Rove to the
attention of Watergate investigators. The young veteran he once showcased
is
now 58 years old, but O'Neill seems just as eager to battle Nixon's old
enemies as he was back then.

The credibility of Vietnam veterans like O'Neill is crucial to Republican
efforts to denigrate Kerry's war record. Those efforts suffered a setback
yesterday when, after angry demands for disclosure from GOP chairman Ed
Gillespie, the Democrat posted hundreds of pages documenting his service
and
decorations on his campaign Web site. Those pages from his Navy records
show
that Kerry's superiors consistently rated him as an outstanding and
unusually talented officer. Those pages show that he volunteered for
service
in Vietnam and earned a Bronze and a Silver Star for valorous conduct
under
fire.

So far, at least, the attempts to smear Kerry have backfired. Looking over
the citations and reports, and particularly those incidents when Kerry
risked his life to protect his comrades, it is natural to contrast his
experience with the National Guard career of George W. Bush -- and to
wonder
why veterans like O'Neill are not troubled by the difference.

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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
Wonder where a group of vets got all the money for their adds, their books, their website etc.


OH WAIT I KNOW!!!!!!

veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth,
http://www.spaethcom.com/about_executive.html

DONT LOOK NOW VODOO BUT ITS AN EVIL LAWYER!!!!!!!
eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason...ill/index.html


Originally Posted by HighWayDrifter
got a *better* link for that?

not doubting just want to see it for me self..
Originally Posted by HighWayDrifter
They are bias, they know it and they make no qualms about it.

**** my bad hit edit instead of quote... deleted my text and put it in the post below, dont think i killed anything of yours bud, if so feel free to add it again
dre

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You do know that i was asking about records that were released under FOIA about bushes service.... Feel free to put the rest of the context in and you will see that

And that last quote is in regards to swiftvets.com i have yet to see them make a claim that they are not bias
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Originally Posted by Salty
Finally something that's not politcally motivated but focuses on the truth.....
Human Events Online calls itself "The National Conservative Weekly"

and you're saying that they are not politically motivated?

gee Salty, I expect better from you, that's like saying Fox news is "fair and balanced"

This is all one big smear campaign, and it will probably work because so many americans have become incapable of thinking for themselves.
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This is all one big smear campaign, and it will probably work because so many americans have become incapable of thinking for themselves.
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