Kevin M

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You just explained why you are as ignorant as the people you are attacking. You are makign an absolute claim that cannot be either proven or disproven by any rational discourse. You are EXACTLY like the people you disdain so much. You're a pot calling kettles black.

spedmunki

you can't call organized religion retarded and then say with absolute conviction that there is no god. there is no definiative proof that he/she exitsts or does not exist. beleiving absolutley that god does not exist is the exact same as beleiving absolutley that god does exist.

i for one do not beleive in god.....but that is my opinion, it is not a fact that i am forcing upon other people. i mainly choose not to beleive in god because people like helladumb and the biblethumpers disgust me. the perversity of the way that people use religion to force veiws on others around the world has completley disenchanted me, and in my opinion ruined my "faith".

oh and helladumb, i am also angered by fear mongering islam radicals, so don't call me a terrorist lover just because i said you and your "facts" enrage me....

spedmunki

i also feel that as long as there is organized religion there will always be those who use people's faith to push their own personal agendas using religion. i feel that we need a new "great schism" to shakedown the system, at least in christianity",and modernize religion. christianity along with islam need to change some of their views if religion is ever going to get along with the scientific community in this day and age.

HellaDumb

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Well, in communist countries you're forced to worship your nation... y'all prefer that? It works in China

Kevin M

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Damn... I guess I got served.

spedmunki

maybe i would.....at least then "god" wouldnt be telling my leader what was moral and amoral

HellaDumb

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You'd prefer a feeble man to control your destiny than your creator? That's insane!

spedmunki

as far as im concerned my creators are my parents

SubyN00by

iTrader: (15)

plus juan...

spedmunki

oh ya...cant forget juan

Kevin M

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That would depend on one's opinion of his creator.

VIBEELEVEN

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So anarchy isn't retarded? What would poeple have done without religon in the last 5000 years? What moral compass do you have? What historical, organizational, or technological development, can you name that was not based on religous, philosophical or or national idealistic competition? If your stupid enough to believe that crap than maybe it's what some people need to keep them headed in the right path. Like whatever other clear thinking individual in this thread stated, it's not specific to the religon, it's the interpretation of the practicioner. You obviousley have a deep seeded hatred of people of faith, especially christians.

MVWRX

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The idea of 'do unto others' precedes modern religion. It's based more in philosophy than a belief in a higher power. I contend that humans are inately driven to take care of each other, but we're highly volitile and emotional. If religion keeps those of us who act on emotion in line, great, just don't put it in my face.
I treat others with the same respect that I feel I desearve from others because logically it's the right thing to do. It's along the lines of John Nash stuff and also utilitarianism. If everyone did what was best for most of the people most of the time, we'd all be perfectly happy. There's no need for a higher power to send down proper morals, it's what we all should do because it makes sense.
But like I said, if it takes going to a building once a week and sprinkling water on babies to get people to do that, that's fine with me; just don't call me amoral because my morals are derived from logic instead of stone tablets.

HellaDumb

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Do you have kids? I'd bet you don't, because having kids is likely enough to make you believe in a higher power.......... or some pretty complex dirt that evolved into humans .

HellaDumb

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Funny how morals usually parallel the 10 commandments .