There is is again, you are assuming that becuase they believe in different things than you that they are lesser than you are by stating that the only way to get into heaven, or whatever it is you thing you are going to when you die, is to hold the same beliefs as you. I would just like someone to explain to me how Jesus is the Messiah. If you read the old testament it clearly states that when the Messiah comes there will be peace on earth. Please show me peace on earth to back up the claim the Jesus was the Messiah. I also do not understand how someone can base their life of a book of stories that is completely contradictory many times over.

 

Im just saying i've met a lot of F'd up people in the head, beliefs aside, and if i had to make a pie chart of people i'm still friends with today, the majjority of it would be of people with something they believe in. They just emit more positivity i've gathered.

My best friend happens to believe in nothing and he is quite negative most of the time, but he is still my best friend...does that help you at all?

did i say "Must" or any other word that defintite?

I have never asked anyone what religion they are in my entire life. That doesnt matter that much to me. I would think you wouldve gotten that by my previous replies.

I like lots of people on this forum and i dont care what they believe it.

Matt happens to be one of my favorite members in here, and that's still not gonna change after this thread...on my side at least lol

 

ALL the great people are religious... and MOST of the non relig or just EHHHH lol ... seems like a pretty good generalization to me !

 

Kyle, I was not offended by your theories of higher powers and the afterlife. I was offended by your judgement on others for their beliefs.

 

+1 thats all that overbear, jewpac and myself are stating here. Awesome you have your beliefs... but to generalize non believers or people who believe in another "being" is offensive to alot of people

 

Bingo. The statement about knowing where he is going when he dies assumes that those who hold different beliefs than he does will not be going to the same place solely becuase they have different beliefs. That is very narrow minded and judgemental of those of us who do not believe in the same things as the poster.

 

^if i knew everyone was going to the same place when we die, i wouldnt GAF what anyone believes in. But it's not for sure, so it helps if everyoine is on the same page.

i dont see anything wrong with generalizations.

Generalizations are found in everyday life, and they are all statistics of facts and data built up in your mind over time...

for example...
should i eat that cookie that i dropped on the ground on an SF sidewalk? NO!
should i eat that cookie that i dropped on my driveway? It's possible!
should i eat that cookie that i dropped on the kitchen floor? F yeah!

So when you're lost at night in SF, you will just go up to anyone and ask directions? I think not. You go up to a person in decent clothing, possibly carrying a suitcase and walking up to their Porsche because you know they wont mug you.

Yes it is.

Youre not "meh"

 

I meant to post that in the congratulatory thread, THIS is the debate thread... sorry I got the screens mixed up.

And props for making this thread and not using the other thread for this I dig the respect and will gladly show you the same.

 

Thank you Sigma for splitting the threads, I didn't really want to get the guys congratulatory thread locked.

 

actually that was me i made this thread so the other one isnt crapped on

I DID MOD WORK!!!!!!!11

 

NP

i did mod work

 

To say that a generalization about whether you should eat a cookie that you dropped on a public sidewalk in SF is the same as your generalization about where we go when we die is even more offensive. When you generalize about eating a cookie off the sidewalk you make a judgement that the sidewalk is dirty. When you make a judgement that I will be going to a different place than you when I die you make a judgement about me, based on our religious differences. You make the assumption that you are absolutely right in your religious beliefs and that anyone who holds different beliefs than you is wrong and cannot go to the same place as you when you die.

 

religion is for those who are to weak to save themselves

 

You two will most certainly NOT be going to the same place when you die. If there's nothing after, different plots. If there IS something after, don't be upset when you're told to not let the door hit ya...

 

Man, I'm really sorry to hear that, it really is sad when people, especially those claiming to believe in Christ, can cause other believers to doubt and walk away from their faith in Christ

Mankind will always let you down, which is why it is important to pursue God and have faith in Christ... Man is tempted by the devil and sinful in nature.

I want you to know that it is not the relationship with the church, with other Christians, society, or others that is required for your salvation. The ONLY thing that matters is believing in Christ and having a relationship with God through Jesus.

Christ was the only perfect Christian... Everyone else that lives and has lived sins, both every Christian and non-Christian... We are all guilty

Everyone except Christ.

Therefore it's completely understandable that non-Christians point to the hypocrisy that can be found by those claiming to follow Christ Remember though, everyone is in a different place in their walk with Christ... a lot of us our young believers, immature in our faith and susceptible to many mistakes.

The devil schemes to pull those who believe in God from him... especially new believers.

1 Peter 5:8 (New International Version)

8Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

And when the devil does so, we are easily susceptible to his devoted schemes. Christians mess up all the time... we are all learning.

Ephesians 6 (New International Version)
The Armor of God

10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
19Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.


From what you posted, it sounds like mankind let you down with the Church and other's claiming to be Christians... not God, Jesus, and the Bible. Is that accurate?

-Steven