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Old 02-10-2009, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
No. We do not have a free market--it is controlled by the Federal Reserve, it does nothing by itself.


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I'm not sure how to take your post, but from what I've seen you're a smart guy, so I'll assume you're just playing around and not discounting the fact that the Federal Reserve does actually control the market.
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
I'm not sure how to take your post, but from what I've seen you're a smart guy, so I'll assume you're just playing around and not discounting the fact that the Federal Reserve does actually control the market.
Shun the non believer!!!

BTW, "Control" is way too strong of a word.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Shun the non believer!!!

BTW, "Control" is way too strong of a word.
True. But the changes they make have a huge effect. Interest rate changes, for example, can make or break an economy and seriously impact all of us.
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
the interest rate has done nothing to help this econcomy
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Read the Federal Reserve Act.
I can't find the section that allows it, the Federal Reserve, to bail out investment banks.
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Originally Posted by sigma pi
the interest rate has done nothing to help this econcomy
Not that I disagree, but care to elaborate?
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Read the Federal Reserve Act.
I can't find the section that allows it, the Federal Reserve, to bail out investment banks.
As far as I'm concerned the Federal Reserve shouldn't even exist.
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Not that I disagree, but care to elaborate?
the Feds mandate is to control inflation which is why they set interest rates. they can do nothing for deflation.

also, it is a uniquely American idea to have a private organization control our money supply
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Yes, that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

Monetary theory, as I was taught, represents a means by which to "level out" the economy in the long term : minimizing the depth and breadth of the recessions/depressions, and working to cool off any extraordinary growth so that it does not come crashing down as hard as it would otherwise.

I simply am not convinced that doing nothing is a viable option. IMHO, a relatively small impact on long term growth may be necessary to stop short term unemployment from rising too high.

I am not 100% on board with the stimulus yet. However, I do believe that some action is absolutely necessary.
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
As far as I'm concerned the Federal Reserve shouldn't even exist.
That is completely irrelevant. It does exist, and it will continue to exist indefinitely. Getting rid of the Fed is not going to happen in your lifetime, if ever. To do so, IMO, would be politically impossible.
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Originally Posted by Magish
Yes, that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

Monetary theory, as I was taught, represents a means by which to "level out" the economy in the long term : minimizing the depth and breadth of the recessions/depressions, and working to cool off any extraordinary growth so that it does not come crashing down as hard as it would otherwise.

I simply am not convinced that doing nothing is a viable option. IMHO, a relatively small impact on long term growth may be necessary to stop short term unemployment from rising too high.

I am not 100% on board with the stimulus yet. However, I do believe that some action is absolutely necessary.
what in the stimulus bill is designed to directly impact unemployment in the near term? please provide me an example because i have not seen anything
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Originally Posted by irrational x
what in the stimulus bill is designed to directly impact unemployment in the near term? please provide me an example because i have not seen anything
The goal is to stop unemployment from rising above 9% in 2009. That is the short term. The main way this would be accomplished is through jobs created by large scale public works projects. That is the theory, at least.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013101484.html

I think this is a pretty fair analysis of the stimulus.
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And another article, critical of the stimulus, that i think is quite fair.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123396623933859023.html
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Originally Posted by irrational x
the Feds mandate is to control inflation which is why they set interest rates. they can do nothing for deflation.
Austrian economic theory actually posits that the Federal Reserve is responsible for all the downturns we see in our economy, which it then tries to correct by adjusting interest rates. It's a crappy cycle that only serves to validate its own existence.

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also, it is a uniquely American idea to have a private organization control our money supply
No it isn't. Central banking has been around for hundreds of years--and going back even further if you consider the Knights Templar and their banking system. More specifically, the Riksbanken, the Swedish central bank, has been around since 1688 and is a private entity.
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