Latino themed cartoons make kids stupid
02-23-2006, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
If Spanish isn't Mexico's native language, then English is not the US's native language. (Both countries had natives before Euros took over)
The other thing is that the premise of your whole argument is wrong. You seem to be saying that by having a BI-ligual (not Spanish, but BILINGUAL) cartoon, that kids will learn LESS English. However if you examine the situation, you will see that this type of language exposure to children will help them be able to learn more languages in the future; in other words, by exposing both English speaking and Spanish speaking children to a program in which they speak both English and Spanish, both groups will be more able to learn multiple languages (weather it be ESL, SSL, or Manderin as a second language) and so it DOES enable Mexican-American children to be more able to compete in the American work force.
For the same reason (being exposed to many languages early on), there will be no negative effect of exposing English speaking children to Spanish at an early age (again I bring up the Sesame St Spanish leasons and how they haven't hurt anyone that I know of...).
So every assumption that you base your aversion to this children's program on (assuming that this would be 'bad' for English speakers and that it would cause complacense among Spanish speakers) is false.
This thread is done.
The other thing is that the premise of your whole argument is wrong. You seem to be saying that by having a BI-ligual (not Spanish, but BILINGUAL) cartoon, that kids will learn LESS English. However if you examine the situation, you will see that this type of language exposure to children will help them be able to learn more languages in the future; in other words, by exposing both English speaking and Spanish speaking children to a program in which they speak both English and Spanish, both groups will be more able to learn multiple languages (weather it be ESL, SSL, or Manderin as a second language) and so it DOES enable Mexican-American children to be more able to compete in the American work force.
For the same reason (being exposed to many languages early on), there will be no negative effect of exposing English speaking children to Spanish at an early age (again I bring up the Sesame St Spanish leasons and how they haven't hurt anyone that I know of...).
So every assumption that you base your aversion to this children's program on (assuming that this would be 'bad' for English speakers and that it would cause complacense among Spanish speakers) is false.
This thread is done.
At the same time the mexican-american children are being congratulated for their heritage, immigrant children from all other walks of life are leaving them in the dust. So who is the racist again?
02-23-2006, 02:03 PM
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That response made no sense. My mom teaches at a bilingual school in Mtn View...two of my friends teach at bilingual schools in the east bay. And my best friend from HS teaches at a biligual school near Whittier. Nice try though. All those schools have problems; the problem is when a biligual class turns into a Spanish speaking class (which I acknowlege does happen). But that has absolutly NOTHING to do with this issue.
And you still haven't pointed out the difference between this show and the Sesame St. lessons in Spanish that have been on for 15+ years.
Nor have you answered the question about you learning a second language.
And you still haven't pointed out the difference between this show and the Sesame St. lessons in Spanish that have been on for 15+ years.
Nor have you answered the question about you learning a second language.
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02-23-2006, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
At the same time the mexican-american children are being congratulated for their heritage, immigrant children from all other walks of life are leaving them in the dust.
You really need to wake up. I know an assload of people who are very much into their Chinese, Japanese, Korean, French, German, African, Argentinean, etc.... culture and are proud of it and celebrate their heritage. They are not embracing or ditching their heritage any more or any less than Mexican Americans. Please stop making unfounded claims like this...it makes me feel dumber for having wasted my time trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
02-23-2006, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
That response made no sense. My mom teaches at a bilingual school in Mtn View...two of my friends teach at bilingual schools in the east bay. And my best friend from HS teaches at a biligual school near Whittier. Nice try though.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
The problem is when a biligual class turns into a Spanish speaking class (which I acknowlege does happen). But that has absolutly NOTHING to do with this issue.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
And you still haven't pointed out the difference between this show and the Sesame St. lessons in Spanish that have been on for 15+ years.
Nor have you answered the question about you learning a second language.
Nor have you answered the question about you learning a second language.
I've had 1 year of spanish, and 3 years of French, if that's what your asking.
Originally Posted by MVWRX
You really need to wake up. I know an assload of people who are very much into their Chinese, Japanese, Korean, French, German, African, Argentinean, etc.... culture and are proud of it and celebrate their heritage. They are not embracing or ditching their heritage any more or any less than Mexican Americans. Please stop making unfounded claims like this...it makes me feel dumber for having wasted my time trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
This is just one piece in a large puzzle to screw up the country.
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02-23-2006, 04:02 PM
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Your claims are that this cartoon (and being exposed to Spanish at all) will be a negative influence on both Spanish speaking immigrants and English speaking Americans. That is SO F***ING STUPID.
This is not a new thing for cartoons or kid's shows...and it's never caused problems before.
You clearly did not learn any second language when you were little...and it's fairly obvious you were not exposed to any cultures other than your own as well.
I still can't beleive you're this upset about a kid's cartoon that uses some Spanish in it. Have you seen children's programing? Do you realize that ALL the shows for kids nowadays have multicultural diversity in them? And do you realize that you're the only person who thinks that's a bad thing?
I hope you have kids that learn Spanish from their friends at school...you'll overhear "Mi padre piensa que el es muy inteligente, pero yo se mi padre es muy tonto porque el no le gustan nadie diferente..."
This is not a new thing for cartoons or kid's shows...and it's never caused problems before.
You clearly did not learn any second language when you were little...and it's fairly obvious you were not exposed to any cultures other than your own as well.
I still can't beleive you're this upset about a kid's cartoon that uses some Spanish in it. Have you seen children's programing? Do you realize that ALL the shows for kids nowadays have multicultural diversity in them? And do you realize that you're the only person who thinks that's a bad thing?
I hope you have kids that learn Spanish from their friends at school...you'll overhear "Mi padre piensa que el es muy inteligente, pero yo se mi padre es muy tonto porque el no le gustan nadie diferente..."
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02-23-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
It has everything to do with the issue. Chinese immigrants aren't going to do any better if you give cartoon dynosaurs heavy Chinese accents!
No, nobody said they would. They wouldn't do worse either; and more importantly, American kids who see a dynosaur speaking Chinese playing with a dynosaur that speaks English will learn a leason in acceptance...you could have used a good cartoon like that...
02-23-2006, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
No, nobody said they would. They wouldn't do worse either; and more importantly, American kids who see a dynosaur speaking Chinese playing with a dynosaur that speaks English will learn a leason in acceptance...you could have used a good cartoon like that...
02-23-2006, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
By the way...Sabes tu padre que quieres los hombres?
Tu madre tiene mis bendejos en sus dientes tambien...
Tu madre tiene mis bendejos en sus dientes tambien...
. Did I forget to say, they call me "pinche bendeho?" Illegals get a kick out of it when I tell them my spanish name.
Wait, I do remember how to tell the teacher to suck my ***** in spanish.
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02-23-2006, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Yeah, no-brainer all right! I'd be willing to bet you 5 bucks that average IQs are lower in bilingual Spanish/English speakers versus bilingual Mandarin/English speakers.... do you really want to go there?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I'd be willing to bet you 5 bucks that average IQs are lower in bilingual Spanish/English speakers versus bilingual Mandarin/English speakers.... do you really want to go there?Yeah, that's what I thought.
*sigh*
you dont even understand the concept of IQ do you?
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02-23-2006, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
*sigh*
you dont even understand the concept of IQ do you?
dre
you dont even understand the concept of IQ do you?
dre
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