If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with a child?
01-11-2005, 10:39 AM
#31
Dirty Redhead
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Commuting? I don't know what that means anymore.
Posts: 7,204
Car Info: 05 WRX Wagon (Crystal Gray)
Just like salty I am pro-choice as well. But does that mean that every instance of an abortion is good or there is no downside, no.
The underlying fact is that it's not up to me. I can't point at someone and tell them what to do with their body. Does that mean I like what their doing, no. Regardless of what I think does that change the fact that they can do it, no.
Abortion is not up to me, you, congress, allah, mohammed, calvin, hobbes, or anyone but the person having the baby. So even though some of these people shouldn't be trusted to drive they do have the right to do whatever they want with thier body.
The underlying fact is that it's not up to me. I can't point at someone and tell them what to do with their body. Does that mean I like what their doing, no. Regardless of what I think does that change the fact that they can do it, no.
Abortion is not up to me, you, congress, allah, mohammed, calvin, hobbes, or anyone but the person having the baby. So even though some of these people shouldn't be trusted to drive they do have the right to do whatever they want with thier body.
01-11-2005, 10:51 AM
#32
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: San Lorenzo
Posts: 1,118
Car Info: 2000 2.5 RS
So even though some of these people shouldn't be trusted to drive they do have the right to do whatever they want with thier body.
01-11-2005, 10:56 AM
#33
Dirty Redhead
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Commuting? I don't know what that means anymore.
Posts: 7,204
Car Info: 05 WRX Wagon (Crystal Gray)
Originally Posted by constellation
We'll never understand it, but its america - its our job to tell other people how to live their lives.
01-11-2005, 11:10 AM
#35
VIP Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longing for my ol' white '02 WRX :(
Posts: 3,639
Car Info: 2016 Acura RDX ... meh. Um, nice subwoofer?
You guys keep going in circles because of a big hole in your reasoning. The hole is that you have not defined why abortion is sometimes not the correct answer. If you want to be pro-choice but say that abortion is not always a good solution or that abortion can be irresponsibly misused, you must explain WHY!
And please, lets not keep bringing up the biggest lie of the pro-choice movement. Pro-life folks are not against choice You must take into account that their perspective is that abortion is murder. Do pro-choice people want to throw out laws against murder? Of course not. Pro-life people do not think that. So why should pro-choice folks say that the pro-life fight is about restricting choices? This big lie of the pro-choice movement was a tool to move the conversation away from the completely unanswerable question of when life begins, to the ultimate American anthem of personal freedoms. Pro-life activists are not trying to limit your choices - they don't care about your choices. Thy are just against what they believe is murder.
jason
And please, lets not keep bringing up the biggest lie of the pro-choice movement. Pro-life folks are not against choice You must take into account that their perspective is that abortion is murder. Do pro-choice people want to throw out laws against murder? Of course not. Pro-life people do not think that. So why should pro-choice folks say that the pro-life fight is about restricting choices? This big lie of the pro-choice movement was a tool to move the conversation away from the completely unanswerable question of when life begins, to the ultimate American anthem of personal freedoms. Pro-life activists are not trying to limit your choices - they don't care about your choices. Thy are just against what they believe is murder.
jason
01-11-2005, 11:22 AM
#37
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: UCIrvine
Posts: 3,312
Car Info: '05 Crystal Grey Metallic WRX Sport Wagon
Originally Posted by mmboost
This big lie of the pro-choice movement was a tool to move the conversation away from the completely unanswerable question of when life begins, to the ultimate American anthem of personal freedoms.jason
If the question is completely unanswerable, then what's wrong with moving the conversation/debate away from that question? Arguing about something that is completely unanswerable seems completely unintelligent...I don't see why you think it's a 'big lie of the pro-choice movement".
01-11-2005, 11:28 AM
#38
Dirty Redhead
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Commuting? I don't know what that means anymore.
Posts: 7,204
Car Info: 05 WRX Wagon (Crystal Gray)
Originally Posted by mmboost
Pro-life activists are not trying to limit your choices - they don't care about your choices. Thy are just against what they believe is murder.
Oh wait both questions have the same answer. It's up to everyone to make up their own mind about it.
You and other Pro-life activits can believe it's murder all day long. And even if it is by many peoples thinking it still doesn't change the underlying big issue here,(Wait didn't you say something that sounds the same?) it's not up to you and the pro-choice person that's having the abortion doesn't care about your opinion.
01-11-2005, 11:36 AM
#39
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: San Lorenzo
Posts: 1,118
Car Info: 2000 2.5 RS
You guys keep going in circles because of a big hole in your reasoning. The hole is that you have not defined why abortion is sometimes not the correct answer. If you want to be pro-choice but say that abortion is not always a good solution or that abortion can be irresponsibly misused, you must explain WHY!
Making abortion legal will only make it unsafe, there will be no quality control thus costing more lives. Responsibility needs to start on a social level, because outlawing it will do absolutley nothing except make you feel better at night.
01-11-2005, 12:56 PM
#40
iClub Silver Vendor
iTrader: (25)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Participating in some Anarchy!
Posts: 15,494
Car Info: 2005 LGT wagon
Quoted to point out your Freudian slip. 
Your point of "thus costing more lives" is wrong.
You've assumed that every person that would have sought a legal abortion would still seek an illegal abortion; more likely that an abortion ban would have a deterent effect.
The issue of whether it's murder or not is moot; an abortion ends a life, and sometimes two.
Now, we can split hairs all day long, defining when life begins...at conception, at birth, etc. but what's the point?
It's like arguing which religion or political party is better.
Bottom line is this:
If you are comfortable with ending a life, fine, do it.
But don't preach that it's moral/"right"/OK/etc.
Originally Posted by constellation
Making abortion legal will only make it unsafe, there will be no quality control thus costing more lives. Responsibility needs to start on a social level, because outlawing it will do absolutley nothing except make you feel better at night.
You've assumed that every person that would have sought a legal abortion would still seek an illegal abortion; more likely that an abortion ban would have a deterent effect.
The issue of whether it's murder or not is moot; an abortion ends a life, and sometimes two.
Now, we can split hairs all day long, defining when life begins...at conception, at birth, etc. but what's the point?
It's like arguing which religion or political party is better.
Bottom line is this:
If you are comfortable with ending a life, fine, do it.
But don't preach that it's moral/"right"/OK/etc.
01-11-2005, 01:41 PM
#41
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: San Lorenzo
Posts: 1,118
Car Info: 2000 2.5 RS
If you are comfortable with ending a life, fine, do it.
But don't preach that it's moral/"right"/OK/etc.
But don't preach that it's moral/"right"/OK/etc.
Don't preach that its immoral to stop a life before its begun. As you said yourself, its open to interpretation.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
shaggadelic
Hawaii
26
12-09-2010 11:32 AM
