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Old 09-23-2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
There is a difference between regular ammo and armor piercing rounds like Rhino Bullets.

I mean to say they are the same is WRONG. People don't need bullets like Rhino bullets, regular bullets work just fine.
Why not? What if I want to stock these "armor piercing" bullets in case I am a victim of a home invasion robbery where the invaders are wearing body armor?

What I NEED is for the government to stop telling me what I do and do not need, what I can and cannot have, etc. CA's legislature, in all its infinite wisdom, deemed we did not NEED .50bmg rifles, and so now, we can't have any. They also insist that we do not NEED a rifle with a pistol grip and detachable magazines. Why the hell not? What's next?
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Old 09-23-2008 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoung05
Why not? What if I want to stock these "armor piercing" bullets in case I am a victim of a home invasion robbery where the invaders are wearing body armor?

What I NEED is for the government to stop telling me what I do and do not need, what I can and cannot have, etc. CA's legislature, in all its infinite wisdom, deemed we did not NEED .50bmg rifles, and so now, we can't have any. They also insist that we do not NEED a rifle with a pistol grip and detachable magazines. Why the hell not? What's next?
Preach on, brother!!
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:17 PM
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IMO to follow the second ammendment I should be able to posess any fire arm i may need to take on the government one day if needs be. It was created to protect us from a tyranical government so how does it make it fair if one day we have to stand against them throwing rocks while they are mowing us own with fully automatic fire. Im moving to austrailia. J/K
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Originally Posted by kyoung05
Why not? What if I want to stock these "armor piercing" bullets in case I am a victim of a home invasion robbery where the invaders are wearing body armor?

What I NEED is for the government to stop telling me what I do and do not need, what I can and cannot have, etc. CA's legislature, in all its infinite wisdom, deemed we did not NEED .50bmg rifles, and so now, we can't have any. They also insist that we do not NEED a rifle with a pistol grip and detachable magazines. Why the hell not? What's next?

agreed!

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Old 09-23-2008 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoung05
Why not? What if I want to stock these "armor piercing" bullets in case I am a victim of a home invasion robbery where the invaders are wearing body armor?

What I NEED is for the government to stop telling me what I do and do not need, what I can and cannot have, etc. CA's legislature, in all its infinite wisdom, deemed we did not NEED .50bmg rifles, and so now, we can't have any. They also insist that we do not NEED a rifle with a pistol grip and detachable magazines. Why the hell not? What's next?
The idea is that to make them harder to get.

Now, with guns that doesn't work, but I'm willing to bet with bullets, some common criminal dude isn't going to go to great lengths to get Rhino Bullets. If he can get regular ones he will.

and what kind of robber wears body armor to rob your home?!? I'm sorry, but not going to happen. You don't have anything some stupid kid wants so bad he's going to dress up in body armor.

Fine, you want your armor bashing bullets, have them, but you can't possibly justify a reason to need them like you can a reason to protect yourself. It's a want and not a need, and it's a right to have the arms and ammo, but necessarily what kind.

Is it so hard to be a little sensible? I mean, I'd be cool to have a .50 cal rifle, or desert eagle, but both are worthless for hunting and also for self defense. Have you held either of those guns? They are HEAVY!

So lets be open about this, people WANT these guns, cause they can... not for hunting, and not for protection, which is what so many people are using for excuses.

Also, automatic weapons... sorry, doesn't work for hunting/protection... unless you are trying to commit genocide on the local geese population or have the entire block after you.
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LICmotorsports
agreed!

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I'm totally going to tell the goons in novato to buy up expensive body armor and go after you


j/k man

C'mon... and the reds are going to parachute out of the sky tomorrow and HS kids are going to defeat them with their lifted truck and guns.
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:28 PM
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the list of stupid things obama wants to do keeps getting longer and longer.
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoolin415
Slippery slope, wants/needs are very subjective and once we embark on that journey we generally start to see laws that do nothing but hurt people who follow the law. The AW ban was a good one, I mean who 'needs' an AR-15?

And the Black Rhino thing was a huge media exaggeration: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_n10179804
I know people who live on ranches and farms that'd totally need AR-15s, or at least an AR-15 would be the weapon of choice against varmints like foxes and coyotes. .223 is perfect for that application.
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
The idea is that to make them harder to get.

Now, with guns that doesn't work, but I'm willing to bet with bullets, some common criminal dude isn't going to go to great lengths to get Rhino Bullets. If he can get regular ones he will.

and what kind of robber wears body armor to rob your home?!? I'm sorry, but not going to happen. You don't have anything some stupid kid wants so bad he's going to dress up in body armor.
I'm not worried about robbers, I worry about the gov't officials wearing armor.

Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Fine, you want your armor bashing bullets, have them, but you can't possibly justify a reason to need them like you can a reason to protect yourself. It's a want and not a need, and it's a right to have the arms and ammo, but necessarily what kind.
A gov't that fears me, the general populace, is the gov't that works for me.

Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Is it so hard to be a little sensible? I mean, I'd be cool to have a .50 cal rifle, or desert eagle, but both are worthless for hunting and also for self defense. Have you held either of those guns? They are HEAVY!
Up armored HMMVs are difficult to take out with my M1A. A .50cal BMG rifle makes the task easier.

Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
So lets be open about this, people WANT these guns, cause they can... not for hunting, and not for protection, which is what so many people are using for excuses.
So what?
Why do you "need" a high powered car when a KIA works just as well?

Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
Also, automatic weapons... sorry, doesn't work for hunting/protection... unless you are trying to commit genocide on the local geese population or have the entire block after you.
Have you ever had to initiate an ambush armed with bolt action hunting rifles?
It sucks and causes excessive friendly KIAs.

You are projecting your fears onto the wrong target.
You should be afraid of a gov't that wants it's people unarmed.
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:37 PM
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the problem is the 2nd amendment does not say anything about "used for hunting" when it talks about our rights.

just because a fully auto AR-15 is silly to use for hunting, does not make it any more legit for someone to own one.

the whole argument about a weapon having to be used for hunting for it to have a legitimate use is absurd.
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
I know people who live on ranches and farms that'd totally need AR-15s, or at least an AR-15 would be the weapon of choice against varmints like foxes and coyotes. .223 is perfect for that application.
Living on a ranch out in BFE, the last gun I use against 4 legged varmints is any of my AR series weapons.

2 legged varmints...well, that's a different story.
Old 09-23-2008 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoolin415
So you take a picture of a group of inbred people who represent and support no one but themselves and try to compare it to years of government intrusion which is backed, by and large, by the general Democratic voting public?



I could post a counter picture of some fools in Portland burning and dragging American flags through the streets, but that is of no real consequence to anyone but their sick, twisted group who thinks thats a productive way to conduct yourself.

well this is exactly my point, your original post was trying to make a generalization about an entire political party based on a very small minority of extremist hypocrites who preach tolerance and acceptance, just like what I posted. No point for either of us to go on a google images easter egg hunt, im sure theres plenty more we both could find.
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I think I'd rather cut off a finger than vote of Nobama.

There's a reason the NRA hates him so much...


Sarah Palin now, RAAAAAAAAAAWWR! I'll take her shooting any day.
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^^^^

And shoot her across the face with bird shot, and have her apologize for being in the way?
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
I know people who live on ranches and farms that'd totally need AR-15s, or at least an AR-15 would be the weapon of choice against varmints like foxes and coyotes. .223 is perfect for that application.
Maybe they should explore the beauty of the banned .50BMG, they can take care of those pests without stepping off their desks.

AR-15 may have been a bad choice, but I trust you see my point in that once one thing gets baned because of xyz, the sheeple mentality dictates that something else does because it *might* be related somehow. You know, for the sake of being thorough.

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well this is exactly my point, your original post was trying to make a generalization about an entire political party based on a very small minority of extremist hypocrites who preach tolerance and acceptance, just like what I posted. No point for either of us to go on a google images easter egg hunt, im sure theres plenty more we both could find.
I see what you're saying, but we have these ridiculous gun laws in place because someone voted for them. Remember the SF gun ban? A little more than half of the stoned/brain dead residents of this city voted for that nonsense.

Thats a majority, not the minority displayed in your picture. Yes, a minority disrupt political conventions, but the majority will vote to ban something simply because they don't see a need for it. I can say the same for the Republicans with gay marriage, etc., but it seems to me the Democrats have a longer running record of taking things out of the public's hands.


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