Democrats: Health care is a right
07-16-2009, 04:47 PM
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BEHOLD "THE BILL" in PDF
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf
Begin reading on page 44 page 1-44 are amendments to correct wording
http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf
Begin reading on page 44 page 1-44 are amendments to correct wording
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07-16-2009, 05:20 PM
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So how many of you will not be eligeble for this this bull**** program...yet still have to pay for it??
For my family of 5, I make too much money as the maximum amount allowed is $116,055.00/yr.
Soooo....The Socialist Democrats will effectively raise my taxes, eventhough Barry said, "No new taxes for those making $250k/yr".
ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—To be eligible to par4
ticipate in a Right Choices program under this section,
an individual shall—
(1) be a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States
for permanent residence or otherwise residing in the
United States under color of law;
(2) not be covered under any health insurance
coverage during the 6-month period immediately
preceding the date of the determination of eligibility;
(3) have a family income that does not exceed
350 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family
of the size involved; and
16 (4) not be eligible for health care benefits pro17
vided through Medicare, Medicaid, the State Chil18
dren’s Health Insurance Program, the armed serv19
ices, or the Department of Veterans Affairs.
ticipate in a Right Choices program under this section,
an individual shall—
(1) be a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States
for permanent residence or otherwise residing in the
United States under color of law;
(2) not be covered under any health insurance
coverage during the 6-month period immediately
preceding the date of the determination of eligibility;
(3) have a family income that does not exceed
350 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family
of the size involved; and
16 (4) not be eligible for health care benefits pro17
vided through Medicare, Medicaid, the State Chil18
dren’s Health Insurance Program, the armed serv19
ices, or the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Soooo....The Socialist Democrats will effectively raise my taxes, eventhough Barry said, "No new taxes for those making $250k/yr".
07-16-2009, 06:43 PM
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Health Care Bill Will Fund State Vaccine Teams to Conduct ‘Interventions’ in Private Homes
“Authorizes a demonstration program to improve immunization coverage. Under this program, CDC will provide grants to states to improve immunization coverage of children, adolescents, and adults through the use of evidence-based interventions. States may use funds to implement interventions that are recommended by the Community Preventive Services Task Force, such as reminders or recalls for patients or providers, or home visits.”
07-16-2009, 06:46 PM
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Massachusetts in Suit Over Cost of Universal Care
BOSTON — A hospital that serves thousands of indigent Massachusetts residents sued the state on Wednesday, charging that its costly universal health care law is forcing the hospital to cover too much of the expense of caring for the poor.
The hospital, Boston Medical Center, faces a $38 million deficit for the fiscal year ending in September, its first loss in five years. The suit says the hospital will lose more than $100 million next year because the state has lowered Medicaid reimbursement rates and stopped paying Boston Medical “reasonable costs” for treating other poor patients.
According to the suit, Massachusetts is now reimbursing Boston Medical only 64 cents for every dollar it spends treating the poor. About 10 percent of the hospital’s patients are uninsured — down from about 20 percent before the law’s passage in 2006. But many more are on Medicaid or Commonwealth Care, the state-subsidized insurance program for low-income residents.
One of the state’s reimbursement rates to Boston Medical, dropped from $12, 476 in 2008 to $9,323 by 2009, the suit says.
The hospital, Boston Medical Center, faces a $38 million deficit for the fiscal year ending in September, its first loss in five years. The suit says the hospital will lose more than $100 million next year because the state has lowered Medicaid reimbursement rates and stopped paying Boston Medical “reasonable costs” for treating other poor patients.
According to the suit, Massachusetts is now reimbursing Boston Medical only 64 cents for every dollar it spends treating the poor. About 10 percent of the hospital’s patients are uninsured — down from about 20 percent before the law’s passage in 2006. But many more are on Medicaid or Commonwealth Care, the state-subsidized insurance program for low-income residents.
One of the state’s reimbursement rates to Boston Medical, dropped from $12, 476 in 2008 to $9,323 by 2009, the suit says.
07-17-2009, 08:04 PM
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I'm amazed that people still believe the myth that the healthcare system in the UK or Canada is worse than the USA. Whether you rank the USA healthcare by financial efficiency, patient mortality, or percentage of preventable deaths - we aren't even in the top 10.
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07-17-2009, 08:59 PM
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Seriously, here's what you already pay for:
1. Medical costs for the uninsured - Hospitals have mostly fixed costs (Doctor salaries, nurses salary, equipment cost, facility costs, and medication that they have to keep in stock at all times whether they end up using it or not). Since hospital cannot deny urgent care, the sum of these fixed costs are spread out over folk who are insured.
2. The inefficiencies of getting care through the ER - the uninsured often wait it out. Otherwise mild cases often become acute conditions that cost a lot more to treat.
3. The profit the middle man makes - insurance companies makes money, that's partially why most "self funded" employer plans tend to outperform insurance company offerings. The proof is in the pudding. (and I am one of those middlemen, and I deal with other middlemen all freaking day. Trust me, there's profit taking left and right.)
4. The profit drug companies make - Guess what, larger purchasing pools tend to command higher discounts on prescription drug prices.
Ideally, a well crafted universal health care plan will reduce the inefficiencies in the system. Year over year medical cost trend has been 12-18%. At this rate, it'll exceed the GDP in a couple of decades. Now, do you propose we sit around and do nothing but twittle our fingers?
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07-17-2009, 09:21 PM
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Exactly Paul, we'll fix it by making you pay. This time around it'll likely pass too, so get ready to bend over. =)
Seriously, here's what you already pay for:
1. Medical costs for the uninsured - Hospitals have mostly fixed costs (Doctor salaries, nurses salary, equipment cost, facility costs, and medication that they have to keep in stock at all times whether they end up using it or not). Since hospital cannot deny urgent care, the sum of these fixed costs are spread out over folk who are insured.
2. The inefficiencies of getting care through the ER - the uninsured often wait it out. Otherwise mild cases often become acute conditions that cost a lot more to treat.
3. The profit the middle man makes - insurance companies makes money, that's partially why most "self funded" employer plans tend to outperform insurance company offerings. The proof is in the pudding. (and I am one of those middlemen, and I deal with other middlemen all freaking day. Trust me, there's profit taking left and right.)
4. The profit drug companies make - Guess what, larger purchasing pools tend to command higher discounts on prescription drug prices.
Ideally, a well crafted universal health care plan will reduce the inefficiencies in the system. Year over year medical cost trend has been 12-18%. At this rate, it'll exceed the GDP in a couple of decades. Now, do you propose we sit around and do nothing but twittle our fingers?
Seriously, here's what you already pay for:
1. Medical costs for the uninsured - Hospitals have mostly fixed costs (Doctor salaries, nurses salary, equipment cost, facility costs, and medication that they have to keep in stock at all times whether they end up using it or not). Since hospital cannot deny urgent care, the sum of these fixed costs are spread out over folk who are insured.
2. The inefficiencies of getting care through the ER - the uninsured often wait it out. Otherwise mild cases often become acute conditions that cost a lot more to treat.
3. The profit the middle man makes - insurance companies makes money, that's partially why most "self funded" employer plans tend to outperform insurance company offerings. The proof is in the pudding. (and I am one of those middlemen, and I deal with other middlemen all freaking day. Trust me, there's profit taking left and right.)
4. The profit drug companies make - Guess what, larger purchasing pools tend to command higher discounts on prescription drug prices.
Ideally, a well crafted universal health care plan will reduce the inefficiencies in the system. Year over year medical cost trend has been 12-18%. At this rate, it'll exceed the GDP in a couple of decades. Now, do you propose we sit around and do nothing but twittle our fingers?
Name two gov't ran programs that are better managed than the private sector.
Profit is good...even on healthcare related fields.
And yes, I do scream, "Socialist!" to any gov't puke that will force me to participate in any wealth redistribution scheme.
Which is exactly what this current bill is about.
You want health care insurance?
Then go buy it?
Can't afford it?
Make changes in your lifestyle so you can.
I have no idea what MBasil does for a living, what his lot in life is, but it's a real burr in my *** hearing him complain that he's gotta pay for a vial(?) of insulin because his insurance won't cover it.
Assuming...'cause he never said point blank...a vial is $100, I don't see the problem of his having to pay for his own medicine.
My solutions:
Why not treat health insurance like car insurance?
If you live a risky lifestyle, eat **** food, etc, you pay more.
Lower health risk = lower cost to consumer.
Deny treatment...yes, really...in certain cases.
A person in the ER with the sniffles gets the boot.
07-18-2009, 08:15 AM
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I don't necessarily want government intervention.
But the private sector doesn't have a viable solution for those who can't afford their care. I also think that this is a false dichotomy that the government will either stay completely out of the health care industry or it will completely control it. That's not going to be the case.
However, I do stand by my assertion that conservatives rarely have a solution and would rather maintain the status quo and blame everyone else.
But the private sector doesn't have a viable solution for those who can't afford their care. I also think that this is a false dichotomy that the government will either stay completely out of the health care industry or it will completely control it. That's not going to be the case.
However, I do stand by my assertion that conservatives rarely have a solution and would rather maintain the status quo and blame everyone else.