Democrats: Health care is a right
07-27-2009, 07:12 PM
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we all pay already. My folks have been spending 25 K PER YEAR FOR 10 YEARS on their health care, my mom just died of cancer after only battling it for three months, and now were are about 60,000 in debt because of it. America has the 37 ranked health care in the world. and we pay more per capita than any other country in the world.
So to be as nice as I can to all you people who can never admit that America is anything but NUMBER 1 at something. **** You! You know nothing, nor do you care to, you are all a bunch of self reinforcing ignoramuses. And you can also lick my *****.
So to be as nice as I can to all you people who can never admit that America is anything but NUMBER 1 at something. **** You! You know nothing, nor do you care to, you are all a bunch of self reinforcing ignoramuses. And you can also lick my *****.
Ranked 37 by what measurement? The United States is ranked #1 in the world for cancer treatment and survivors, which you can see for yourself from an article posted in this thread.
07-27-2009, 10:02 PM
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07-28-2009, 01:26 AM
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*sigh*
I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to receive compensation for their work, I said that I have an ethical problem with the idea that saving lives is all about profit.
And for the record, I would much rather have a society in which there was no money at all. Although I probably shouldn't be saying that here, since I doubt it will go over well with most of you. :P
I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to receive compensation for their work, I said that I have an ethical problem with the idea that saving lives is all about profit.
And for the record, I would much rather have a society in which there was no money at all. Although I probably shouldn't be saying that here, since I doubt it will go over well with most of you. :P
Money is merely a representation of labor, skilled and non. It's the same as if I paid you in fish or traded some service for another..
If I may make an assumption you seem to be more upset with the concept of greed not necessarily money.
Unfortunately you can't prevent greed.. People will always want more.
The most you can hope for is mutually beneficial exchange..
07-28-2009, 07:59 AM
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What you do to get more can be "bad".
Most people that are complaining about the costs associated with medical care simply don't understand what goes into saving your life.
Becoming a doctor is a long, and thus, expensive journey.
Bringing a medicine to market takes time, money, & effort.
Blaming the health care industry for "skyrocketing" costs is silly.
What is the value of your life?
Your mother's life?
If you want cheap health care, you must be willing to accept cheap services/products; lower survival rates for cancer, etc.
And remember, this is a government ran program, which guarantees it's failure before ever getting approved.
07-28-2009, 11:08 AM
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As long as those lives are saved what does it matter?
Money is merely a representation of labor, skilled and non. It's the same as if I paid you in fish or traded some service for another..
If I may make an assumption you seem to be more upset with the concept of greed not necessarily money.
Unfortunately you can't prevent greed.. People will always want more.
The most you can hope for is mutually beneficial exchange..
Money is merely a representation of labor, skilled and non. It's the same as if I paid you in fish or traded some service for another..
If I may make an assumption you seem to be more upset with the concept of greed not necessarily money.
Unfortunately you can't prevent greed.. People will always want more.
The most you can hope for is mutually beneficial exchange..
As Paul wrote above, greed is not necessarily a bad thing, as it can be a powerful motivator for self-improvement and betterment of your environment.
You should know that my opinion on this relates to my distaste for wage slavery.
07-28-2009, 12:36 PM
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Currency is an IOU representation of service or good provided, correct. My issue is not with currency itself, but the arbitrary value placed on peoples' lives because of the driving force of profit in a corporatist system.
As Paul wrote above, greed is not necessarily a bad thing, as it can be a powerful motivator for self-improvement and betterment of your environment.
You should know that my opinion on this relates to my distaste for wage slavery.
As Paul wrote above, greed is not necessarily a bad thing, as it can be a powerful motivator for self-improvement and betterment of your environment.
You should know that my opinion on this relates to my distaste for wage slavery.
Did you happen to watch the movie Into the Wild. I'm guessing you would enjoy that one.
07-28-2009, 12:46 PM
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Greed in of itself is not "bad".
What you do to get more can be "bad".
Most people that are complaining about the costs associated with medical care simply don't understand what goes into saving your life.
Becoming a doctor is a long, and thus, expensive journey.
Bringing a medicine to market takes time, money, & effort.
Blaming the health care industry for "skyrocketing" costs is silly.
What is the value of your life?
Your mother's life?
If you want cheap health care, you must be willing to accept cheap services/products; lower survival rates for cancer, etc.
And remember, this is a government ran program, which guarantees it's failure before ever getting approved.
What you do to get more can be "bad".
Most people that are complaining about the costs associated with medical care simply don't understand what goes into saving your life.
Becoming a doctor is a long, and thus, expensive journey.
Bringing a medicine to market takes time, money, & effort.
Blaming the health care industry for "skyrocketing" costs is silly.
What is the value of your life?
Your mother's life?
If you want cheap health care, you must be willing to accept cheap services/products; lower survival rates for cancer, etc.
And remember, this is a government ran program, which guarantees it's failure before ever getting approved.
and the reason why health care is so much is becuase doctors admit they have to run test when they are not needed.
why?
becasue if you do have that .001% of the time case they have to be able to say they tried to find it and cover thier *** so they are not sued and screwed over
take it from a guy that dated a Dr
07-28-2009, 03:25 PM
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what about the post office? its self sufficient
and the reason why health care is so much is becuase doctors admit they have to run test when they are not needed.
why?
becasue if you do have that .001% of the time case they have to be able to say they tried to find it and cover thier *** so they are not sued and screwed over
take it from a guy that dated a Dr
and the reason why health care is so much is becuase doctors admit they have to run test when they are not needed.
why?
becasue if you do have that .001% of the time case they have to be able to say they tried to find it and cover thier *** so they are not sued and screwed over
take it from a guy that dated a Dr
