Democrats: Health care is a right
07-19-2009, 10:16 AM
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I guess people are misunderstanding what todays market is... EVERYONE IS ENSLAVED by the idea of making money. Unfortunately, that's how brilliant the people on top are.
If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.
Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.
Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
07-19-2009, 10:19 AM
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07-19-2009, 10:24 AM
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I guess people are misunderstanding what todays market is... EVERYONE IS ENSLAVED by the idea of making money. Unfortunately, that's how brilliant the people on top are.
If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.
Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.
Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
It's all very much a choice, no one has put a gun to my head suggesting that I either work or die.
07-20-2009, 05:29 AM
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Health Care should be right in the 21st century and health care should be ran like as "non profit" rather than "for profit".
I'll write more on this topic later.
I'll write more on this topic later.
07-20-2009, 07:13 AM
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Then World War II was total BS, we should have let the Germans have Europe, we had no beef with them. Then civil rights is BS, cause keeping minorities down give more opportunities to the majority. Why the heck did all those white people stick their necks out for minorities. Heck, screw workers rights too, employers should be able to look out for their profits first, lets go back to the days of the industrial revolution and child labor.
People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.
People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.
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07-20-2009, 08:34 AM
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You still don't get that you already pay for other people's bull****?
In terms of being a society, I personally believe we have a vested interest in the overall well being of the general population in this country. That "me-first-screw-other-people" kind of attitude didn't make this country great.
In terms of being a society, I personally believe we have a vested interest in the overall well being of the general population in this country. That "me-first-screw-other-people" kind of attitude didn't make this country great.
I get it...up the *** no less...that I currently pay for other people's f'ed lifestyle.
I don't want to pay anymore.
Have yo read the bill?
People like me will pay for another scheme that we will not get to use.
The bill's language, from what I can tell, dictates that I will have to pay for gov't healthcare and if I elect to keep my current private insurance, will have to pay an 8% penalty.
Buuuut, my family makes "too much" money to qualify for the scheme:
ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—To be eligible to par4
ticipate in a Right Choices program under this section,
an individual shall—
(1) be a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States
for permanent residence or otherwise residing in the
United States under color of law;
(2) not be covered under any health insurance
coverage during the 6-month period immediately
preceding the date of the determination of eligibility;
(3) have a family income that does not exceed
350 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family
of the size involved; and
16 (4) not be eligible for health care benefits pro17
vided through Medicare, Medicaid, the State Chil18
dren’s Health Insurance Program, the armed serv19
ices, or the Department of Veterans Affairs.
ticipate in a Right Choices program under this section,
an individual shall—
(1) be a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States
for permanent residence or otherwise residing in the
United States under color of law;
(2) not be covered under any health insurance
coverage during the 6-month period immediately
preceding the date of the determination of eligibility;
(3) have a family income that does not exceed
350 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family
of the size involved; and
16 (4) not be eligible for health care benefits pro17
vided through Medicare, Medicaid, the State Chil18
dren’s Health Insurance Program, the armed serv19
ices, or the Department of Veterans Affairs.
I'm stuck in a Catch-22 situation and that's more than wrong.
It's illegal.
Now do you get it?
07-20-2009, 08:36 AM
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Then World War II was total BS, we should have let the Germans have Europe, we had no beef with them. Then civil rights is BS, cause keeping minorities down give more opportunities to the majority. Why the heck did all those white people stick their necks out for minorities. Heck, screw workers rights too, employers should be able to look out for their profits first, lets go back to the days of the industrial revolution and child labor.
People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.
People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.
Using your WWII example, explain how the US gov't acted in the greater good's interest.
07-20-2009, 11:50 AM
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At its most basic level, the Latin root of "anarchy" is "anarchos." Archos means "ruler" and the prefix of "an-" means "without." So literally "anarchos" means "without rulers." All variations of anarchism taken into account, that is the most basic and accurate description of the philosophy.
There are, of course, many different flavors of anarchism: individual anarchism (which is most similar to what you're thinking of), anarcho-socialism (also known as libertarian socialism), anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, U.S. Libertarianism (somewhat paradoxically described as anarcho-capitalism), etc. What ties them all together is the unifying concept of living without someone else running your life or meddling in your affairs -- true "liberty," if you will.
(Historical side note: During the latter part of the 19th century, it was against the law in many European countries to print or discuss anarchism, so they had to come up with an alternate word to use. That word is "Libertarian.")
Oh, and don't confuse "socialism" with "state socialism." As Bakunin once said, "All anarchists are socialist, but not all socialists are anarchist." Anarchist socialism is a system of voluntary regional socialism. You take part and contribute in society because you desire it, not because it is compulsory.
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07-20-2009, 02:45 PM
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