Dean is scum. He should be tried for this!
12-07-2005, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dub2w
Great post lajasmo. I actually like Dean. He screwed himself with his WWF tirade, but the man is passionate about America (albeit from a liberal perspective).
Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
More power to you. I don't like him just based off his beliefs on domestic issues .
Originally Posted by helladumb
Dude.. wake up! From the Vietnam example, the war critics at home were recorded and played as propaganda to weaken the morale of POWs and break them! Don't be so helladumb!
I'm used to republicans making assertions they can't prove to back up their POV. I usually ignore them until they are proven....It usually never becomes an issue.
Originally Posted by me
An occupying force cannot win a civil war.
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12-07-2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Nope. The media screwed Dean.
He should have known better than to give them a perfect 10 second video / sound bite. It was the silver dagger in his hopes of becoming president.
12-07-2005, 02:37 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10284169/#051207a
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "I think we need a strategic redeployment over a period of two years," he said. His plan: bring home the guardsmen and the reservists immediately. Send 20,000 troops to Afghanistan. And then this: "we need a force in the Middle East, not in Iraq but in a friendly neighboring country, to fight [terrorist leader Abu Musab] Zarqawi."
In other words, what we need to do is send American troops to yet another Arab country, from which they could fight the war they've been waging so unsuccessfully in Iraq. That way, not only could we prolong the war in Iraq, we'd get to destabilize another country in the region, this time one of the few we still consider an ally. It's a clever plan, the perfect combination of recklessness and stupidity. You can see how Dean came up with it.
What you can't see is how he's allowed to continue to embarrass his party by saying things like this in public. Where are the adults? Why doesn't someone get the hook? Who's running the Democratic Party, anyway? Oh, yeah. Howard Dean is. "
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "I think we need a strategic redeployment over a period of two years," he said. His plan: bring home the guardsmen and the reservists immediately. Send 20,000 troops to Afghanistan. And then this: "we need a force in the Middle East, not in Iraq but in a friendly neighboring country, to fight [terrorist leader Abu Musab] Zarqawi."
In other words, what we need to do is send American troops to yet another Arab country, from which they could fight the war they've been waging so unsuccessfully in Iraq. That way, not only could we prolong the war in Iraq, we'd get to destabilize another country in the region, this time one of the few we still consider an ally. It's a clever plan, the perfect combination of recklessness and stupidity. You can see how Dean came up with it.
What you can't see is how he's allowed to continue to embarrass his party by saying things like this in public. Where are the adults? Why doesn't someone get the hook? Who's running the Democratic Party, anyway? Oh, yeah. Howard Dean is. "
12-07-2005, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by deyes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10284169/#051207a
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "
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12-07-2005, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by deyes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10284169/#051207a
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "I think we need a strategic redeployment over a period of two years," he said. His plan: bring home the guardsmen and the reservists immediately. Send 20,000 troops to Afghanistan. And then this: "we need a force in the Middle East, not in Iraq but in a friendly neighboring country, to fight [terrorist leader Abu Musab] Zarqawi."
In other words, what we need to do is send American troops to yet another Arab country, from which they could fight the war they've been waging so unsuccessfully in Iraq. That way, not only could we prolong the war in Iraq, we'd get to destabilize another country in the region, this time one of the few we still consider an ally. It's a clever plan, the perfect combination of recklessness and stupidity. You can see how Dean came up with it.
What you can't see is how he's allowed to continue to embarrass his party by saying things like this in public. Where are the adults? Why doesn't someone get the hook? Who's running the Democratic Party, anyway? Oh, yeah. Howard Dean is. "
"Dean explained what we ought to do with the 160,000 troops currently facing defeat in Iraq. "I think we need a strategic redeployment over a period of two years," he said. His plan: bring home the guardsmen and the reservists immediately. Send 20,000 troops to Afghanistan. And then this: "we need a force in the Middle East, not in Iraq but in a friendly neighboring country, to fight [terrorist leader Abu Musab] Zarqawi."
In other words, what we need to do is send American troops to yet another Arab country, from which they could fight the war they've been waging so unsuccessfully in Iraq. That way, not only could we prolong the war in Iraq, we'd get to destabilize another country in the region, this time one of the few we still consider an ally. It's a clever plan, the perfect combination of recklessness and stupidity. You can see how Dean came up with it.
What you can't see is how he's allowed to continue to embarrass his party by saying things like this in public. Where are the adults? Why doesn't someone get the hook? Who's running the Democratic Party, anyway? Oh, yeah. Howard Dean is. "
And yet, people criticize the democratic party because they "don't have a plan"
:eyes:
but when anything is said, "where are the adults"
:eyes:
Look: Iraq is a complete disaster.
This administration used cherrypicked evidence, some of it known to be unreliable or forged at the time, (and certainly, in retrospect, have been proven to be demonstably wrong) to convince the citizens of the united states and the congress to support an action, which, in reality had been planned for a long time (Check this letter-and the signatories)
Now, three years, and over $200,000,000,000 later, we have thousands of American soldiers dead and wounded, and approximately 100,000 dead Iraqi citizens. Now, a significant plurality of Iraqis believe that their nation is worse off than before the invasion, and that attacks against U.S. troops are justified.
And you don't think just about anything else, besides what this administration has pulled off, would be preferable?
I think you're nuts.
Originally Posted by deyes
Its not pro Dean if thats what you think.
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12-07-2005, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Look, think of it like this. How long would an executive in a large company last saying that his/her company was going to lose to a competitor, and that they should give up? Executives are part of a team, and there is a code to be followed. Can you imagine an executive telling a competitor "Keep up the good work; You're kicking our ***!!!!"
He/she would be unemployed in an instant.
Just like Dean compares Iraq to Vietnam, Hanoi Dean is breaking an unsaid code and telling our enemies that their strategy is fantastic!!! He couldn't boost the morale of the extremists better than he is already doing. I guarantee you that they are toasting Allah Akbars to his insane liberal rants.
He/she would be unemployed in an instant.
Just like Dean compares Iraq to Vietnam, Hanoi Dean is breaking an unsaid code and telling our enemies that their strategy is fantastic!!! He couldn't boost the morale of the extremists better than he is already doing. I guarantee you that they are toasting Allah Akbars to his insane liberal rants.
12-07-2005, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
I disagree. A company is ruled by somewhat of a aristocracy or dictatorship. We live in AMERICA under a republic. We are allowed to say whatever the hell we want. The MOST unamerican thing you can do is not voice your opinion and just be a sheep of "your" party.
12-08-2005, 04:43 AM
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"Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House is completely disconnected from reality. It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska)
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska)
12-08-2005, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Which issues? Ballancing the budget for eleven consecutive years? Or are you opposed to his A+ rating from the NRA? Or perhaps you don't agree with insurance for all children? Which domestic issues are you referring to?
And just to avoid the cliche comeback I know my previous statement subjects me to, Bush was in a National Guard Air Force unit and Kerry did deploy to Vietnam (regardless of what he did there).
12-08-2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
I'm going to be completely honest with you, I don't like that fact that he got a draft deferment for Vietnam because of a unfused vertebra but then had the audacity to take up a hippy life style in his home state that consisted of drinking and skiing everyday. If you're not willing to fight for your country I have a personal issue with you having the power to send others to do it.
And just to avoid the cliche comeback I know my previous statement subjects me to, Bush was in a National Guard Air Force unit and Kerry did deploy to Vietnam (regardless of what he did there).
And just to avoid the cliche comeback I know my previous statement subjects me to, Bush was in a National Guard Air Force unit and Kerry did deploy to Vietnam (regardless of what he did there).
Wow! I can't believe you just typed that out.
12-08-2005, 12:09 PM
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[QUOTE=1reguL8NSTi]I'm going to be completely honest with you, I don't like that fact that he got a draft deferment for Vietnam because of a unfused vertebra but then had the audacity to take up a hippy life style in his home state that consisted of drinking and skiing everyday. [QUOTE]
Ah, so you were being dishonest before....good on ya.
anyway:
If you take him at his word, Dean's back problam made it impossible to run, but not to ski.
source
Don't forget that Cheney got five student deferments
Reagan made movies for the army in southern california
Who served
You'll notice that those who most vociferously support war were conspicuously absent from millitary duty.
Ah, so you were being dishonest before....good on ya.
anyway:
If you take him at his word, Dean's back problam made it impossible to run, but not to ski.
source
Don't forget that Cheney got five student deferments
Reagan made movies for the army in southern california
Who served
You'll notice that those who most vociferously support war were conspicuously absent from millitary duty.
12-08-2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Wow! I can't believe you just typed that out.
Originally Posted by lojasmo
Ah, so you were being dishonest before....good on ya.
anyway:
If you take him at his word, Dean's back problam made it impossible to run, but not to ski.
source
Don't forget that Cheney got five student deferments
Reagan made movies for the army in southern california
Who served
You'll notice that those who most vociferously support war were conspicuously absent from millitary duty.
anyway:
If you take him at his word, Dean's back problam made it impossible to run, but not to ski.
source
Don't forget that Cheney got five student deferments
Reagan made movies for the army in southern california
Who served
You'll notice that those who most vociferously support war were conspicuously absent from millitary duty.