its all a ploy to get us all to think were going soft!! you all know our government is the most secretive of governments and imo crap will be going down behind closed doors its all a ploy to get everyone to think that were gonna change policies when in actuality the same old **** is going to happen just not in the public eye!!

 

^^^not an attack or a flame on you but simply my experiences and point of view

your right one extreme faction does not define an entire populace. nor does a few soldiers retarded acts (while at war) define the rest of our military. oh and believe me our Uniformed Code of Military Justice does not let these sorry SOB's off the hook. you may not here about it but when said and done these SOB's are doing hard labor. making big rocks into medium ones, mediums to small ones, and small ones to the ones in your fish tank. hard labor in the military still means something here.

also to reply to your how many innocents are lost when we bombed the crap out of them.....there was a lot but at the same time they are casualties of war and thats a fact. also traditional military warfare is dead. we no longer line up in a big open battlefield like you see in the movies and pound the crap out of each other. the enemy hides behind the innocent. they apply non tactical methods to try and strike at us. they hide in church's or mosques all the while shooting at us.

now let me flip it on you. do you know how many of their own people they kill when they decide to strap on a bomb and walk down the market and blow themselves up? I bet you it is at least 10x more than we ever had. in my previous deployments i remember loud explosions in the down town area off of our base camp. these are usually miles away but with enough force to level a block. i remember hoping that none of our soldiers were killed and when the reports came in guess what it was? it was the insurgents blowing up their own people, easily 50+. and guess what majority of time the person(s) planning this get away free. the Iraqi people usually do nothing to find them mainly because they are scared. when the person(s) are caught its usually cause of us or us pushing them to find the bastards. remember in our society at least we give chase for those that harm us. ie both world trade attacks/oklahoma bombing.

of course the flip side to this is if we did nothing we still have people that would talk negatively. pretty much a double edge sword.

In closing I would like to say again we have not been attacked since 9/11. But think about this would you rather have this war in Iraq or Afghanistan and keep the enemy at bay? or would you prefer to have it in our country? our neighborhood? where your children play?

Don't know who said this but it is a great quote.

"I would rather see war in my lifetime so that my children may know what peace is"

This means a lot to me, both my children were born after this war started. Although young and no care in the world but to play, I want them to know what its like to see peace time like I have. If I have to do 50 more deployments for this, I WILL!

 

I am reading a great book right now by Ralph Peters. He is a pretty stron supporter of taking a hard stance over there.His soluion. Follow the Geneva convention to the T. Dont pick and choose. To illistrate his point on prisoners of war. According to he geneva conventions. Any person fighting against a regular armed forces "i.e." us while not wearing a standard uniform "i.e." Them is guilty of being a spy and the penalty for such act is immeadiate execution. No BS looked it up. So to state Ralph Peters point. Just kill the people fighting against us. Dont take prisoners because they are violating the Geneva conventions and our standards for war. Plase so as to not recieve all kinds of posts saying im a total moron I am presenting somone elses ieas forthe sake giving food for thought. Hope you enjoy. Cheers

 

here this should **** some people off!! hehehe its a long movie but one that WILL GET THE THOUGHT PROCESS GOING!! a little diddy..... (government is all about money and power who has the money has the power and every empire/dynasty has to come to an end i wonder where we fit in??)


ps dont be pissed at me because our world is so blind....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHhc67GopM

 

our secret prisons are better than sadams

 

^^ bottom line is that terrorists are less than human, therefore should be treated as such. a lot of America has trouble coming to terms with that apparently so it causes less confusion when they don't know about it.

 

to anyone in the military who might feel for whatever reason that i don't support what they do, believe that is completely wrong. i feel passionately for what all the men and women of the service though and have every bit of respect for those who put their lives on the line to do what they do. i also have to think of it from every side and every angle. as far as i can see, the US is the last superpower on earth. no other nation, not even the big ones (which are all our allies anyway) have the foundation and military might to have that title, but i always have to ask, at what cost? if we want to keep fighting for our freedom, by all means, our nation has proven it can do that efficiently, effectively and with great precision - but is this the only way.. will we continue to police the planet forever? common logic says that we cannot. no matter what intentions we may have, whatever righteousness and good our people what to spread, there will come an impasse. i can't really say too much more because i lack the proper knowledge/experience to really dwelve into this, but deep down inside i know that this can't keep up forever and it's disconcerting.. so maybe the idea of 'change' has stricken up something within us all to really take the broad view and say, 'when is it enough?' i grieve for the lost, i pray for those who fight, and i wish hell on all those who try to break this great spirit, but one day the US has to come to the realization that we are not the world. the world is the world and we are still a small portion of it's people. so we happen to have all the guns. in any other type of society where that distinction means leadership, it wouldn't go by the name of democracy.. i regret if you take this the wrong way, really.. i don't mean to pick at any wounds. i just have an opinion too.

 

Hahahaha, I knew you'd get drawn in to this one bren.

 

you're only going to have one person on your phone bill...