What is castor/caster?
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What is caster?
Can someone please explain to me what caster is beyond the "the backward or forward tilt of the steering axis"? Moreover what does more or less caster do in terms of handling?
I have checked out http://www.ie.net.au/ausrotary/artic.../Alignment.htm but damned if I understand what they are saying. So please use terms a simpleton like me can understand.
Faizi
PS – Is it spelled castOR or castER?
Edited for caster spelling.
I have checked out http://www.ie.net.au/ausrotary/artic.../Alignment.htm but damned if I understand what they are saying. So please use terms a simpleton like me can understand.
Faizi
PS – Is it spelled castOR or castER?
Edited for caster spelling.
Last edited by Faiz One; 12-26-2002 at 10:23 PM.
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Re: What is castor/caster?
Originally posted by Faiz One
Can someone please explain to me what castor is beyond the "the backward or forward tilt of the steering axis"? Moreover what does more or less castor do in terms of handling?
I have checked out http://www.ie.net.au/ausrotary/artic.../Alignment.htm but damned if I understand what they are saying. So please use terms a simpleton like me can understand.
Faizi
PS – Is it spelled castOR or castER?
Can someone please explain to me what castor is beyond the "the backward or forward tilt of the steering axis"? Moreover what does more or less castor do in terms of handling?
I have checked out http://www.ie.net.au/ausrotary/artic.../Alignment.htm but damned if I understand what they are saying. So please use terms a simpleton like me can understand.
Faizi
PS – Is it spelled castOR or castER?
Last edited by Kevin M; 12-26-2002 at 06:41 PM.
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Originally posted by Imprezer
Next time please use your head when posting subjects, ok?
Next time please use your head when posting subjects, ok?
Anyway, caster (with an E) is very hard to describe, so I won't even bother trying. How does changing it affect things? Well, with a MacPherson strut suspension (which is what our cars have) positive caster is a good thing, the more the better. As you add positive caster (which is done by tilting the strut back farther at the top using adjustable top mounts, or by relocating the steering knuckle with an anti-lift kit) you change the dynamic camber curve so that there is less camber gain. That's a good thing. Why? Well, let me try to explain my understanding of it...
We start with some amount of static negative camber - as your car is sitting at rest, the tops of the front tires are tilted in some amount. As the car corners, the suspension compression combined with body roll causes the outside tire to gain camber (gain positive camber = lose negative camber = bad). Eventually the tire can't take any more and rolls over onto the outer shoulder, which causes it to lose grip.
By adding positive caster, the camber gain is reduced. You don't change the camber gain due to body roll - that stays constant unless you change spring rates or the sway bar (AFAIK). However, you do change the amount of camber gain due to suspension compression.
AFAIK (again ) the only downside to adding positive camber is that you increase steering effort because adding positive camber increases the self-centering effect (the desire of the wheels to always be pointing straight ahead). However, from what I understand you have to add a lot of positive camber - more than you could do without resorting to enlarging the hole in the top of the strut tower - to really feel an adverse effect.
My other car is a Mustang, which also uses a MacP strut setup (well, it's a modified MacP strut, but whatever...). From the factory it can run maybe +3deg caster, which is a bit less than our cars run from the factory. With a good set of C/C plates and an aftermarket front control arm setup, there are Mustang auto-x and road race types that run as much as +7 or +8deg caster and they have no problems with that. From what I understand the guys running the (relatively) new MRT C/C on their Subies are getting about +5deg of caster - clearly an improvement, but it shouldn't be anywhere near enough to cause problems with steering feel.
Hope that helps,
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
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good info guys!
I'll try to add visual (well, verbally)
if you lock your steering to one side you will notice the front wheels leaning in towards the inside the turn. eg. turn steering to right side, wheels tilt to right side. If you look at dune buggy's you can clearly see the tilting of front wheels when you lock the steering to one side. also, I think Mercedes Benz's add more caster than other cars.
more caster = more responsive, but darty & harder to keep it in straight line
I'll try to add visual (well, verbally)
if you lock your steering to one side you will notice the front wheels leaning in towards the inside the turn. eg. turn steering to right side, wheels tilt to right side. If you look at dune buggy's you can clearly see the tilting of front wheels when you lock the steering to one side. also, I think Mercedes Benz's add more caster than other cars.
more caster = more responsive, but darty & harder to keep it in straight line
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Originally posted by Patrick Olsen
What am I missing?
From what I understand the guys running the (relatively) new MRT C/C on their Subies are getting about +5deg of caster - clearly an improvement, but it shouldn't be anywhere near enough to cause problems with steering feel.
Hope that helps,
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
What am I missing?
From what I understand the guys running the (relatively) new MRT C/C on their Subies are getting about +5deg of caster - clearly an improvement, but it shouldn't be anywhere near enough to cause problems with steering feel.
Hope that helps,
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
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