Does this look like a Fairtrade/Escrow.com scam on this STi to anyone?
10-26-2005, 06:27 AM
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Does this look like a Fairtrade/Escrow.com scam on this STi to anyone?
This whole thing certainly is odd. Start reading from the bottom. It is important to note in the first mail how he says he is the first owner, yet, the Carfax report (as I state in one of my notes below) shows it as being sold to a second owner in colorado a few months ago. You will see his response to this in the last reply. Thoughts?
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Hey,
I do have friends in Philly, but the problem is that the car is locked in the garage, and i'm the only one who have the keys.
One more thing, the escrow service is called squaretrade, but if you want we can use escrow.com, it's the same think for me, just let me know what you want to use and give me your details (name and address) needed for the transaction's registration.
I tried to sell the car sooner and a friend from CO wanted to buy it, we made the papers and he was not approved on the loan, and he wasn't able to pay it, but the car have 12,500 miles not 16k.
Let me know what you decide to do. It's up to you now.
Sincearly,
Paul Thomas
Jeffrey C wrote:
Well, I'm definitely interested. I've know people who have had bad
experiences with FairTrade before but I think we can get around using
that. There has to be some way to see the car awhile...like, do you
have any friends still around Philly that can show it to me? And if
you can get them the keys and title, I can actually just pay cash for
the car after I see it. We can go to my bank and deal with the
certified check with the teller so you'll know the check is good. In
researching the car a bit, I have one other question. Carfax shows it
as going from the first owner in Texas to a dealer in Colorado a few
months ago, and that the car was sold last week in Colorado to the
second owner, with 12,500 miles. You were the first owner, correct?
Did you bring the car from Colorado? I'm worried it might have 16,000
miles now if that is the case.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul T
Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: stti
> The car is registered in TX, and now it is in a garrage in Philly.
> If you decide to buy the car i have to come to PA and i can
> deliver it to your address or we can meet in Philadelphia and take
> the car to a subaru dealer for an inspection. Anyway before i do
> that i will need the payment to be made. I know that $18,500 is a
> large amount so to get started i will need a 50% deposit.
> If you think you could do that we can make this deal work.
> By the way, for our safety i want to make this deal through
> SquareTrade. I am a Square Trade member. They will act like a
> THIRD PARTY and we'll both be protected. I will give you a few
> days to test the car and to see that nothing is wrong with it. If
> you want to proceed with the deal please send me your full name
> and address needed for the papers and shipping.
> Here are the steps of the deal :
> 1.The Seller will open the transaction --> 2.The buyer has to
> make the payment to Square Trade Financial Department --> 3.The
> Seller will recceive the confirmation thhat the payment is made -->
> 4.The seller will ship the item to the buyer -->5.The buyer will
> contact Square Trade to tell them if he is satisfied or not -->
> 6.Square Trade will release the money to the seller (in case the
> buyer is satisfied) and to the buyer (in case that he is not
> satisfied). So, please read this email twice and let me know. I
> hope you agree with me, because I think that it is the best way to
> protect us both both (seller and buyer). Once i have the
> confirmation from SquareTrade that the down payment has been made
> we'll arange a day to meet and give you the car.
> Just email me back and let me know your decision. I'll wait for
> your email.
> Paul T
>
> Jeffrey C wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
> I'm actually around Philly, which is how it came up on Kelley when
> I searched for cars around here. Was the car purchased in TX or did
> you only have it up around Philly? I'm trying to think if I remember
> this car from any of the local meets. With you being in TX and the car
> in PA, would it be feasible to check it out?
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul T
> Date: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:59 pm
> Subject: Re: sti>
> > Hi,
> > Yes, the STi is still for sale. First of all i need to tell
> > you that I have moved at my parents in Plano TX after i have
> >lost my job, and the car is locked in a garage in Philadelphia PA, at
> > my old address.
> > This is a WRX STI that is in perfect condition inside and
> > out, has been babied the entire 13 months I have had it. I am
> >the original owner and this car has never been smoked in. Still has
> >a valid warranty that lasts three years from when I bought in June
> > of 2004, or 45,000 miles. As you can see by the pictures this
> >car has the beautiful black paint with gold specs and gold rims.
> > I have put well over $2000 into aftermarket accessories for
> > this car. STI's do not come with any stereo so I installed four
> > Alpine speakers along with the Alpine 9813 head unit that is MP3
> > as well as XM capable. I used to have subs in the car which I
> >have since taken out, however there is still a Pheonix Golg multi
> > channel amp mounted in the trunk with all the available wiring
> >if a future owner wants to put subs in the car. Another nice extra
> >I had done is dark window tint all the way around. Now for the
> > performance stuff, it has AEM short ram intake which is the red
> > intake you see in the picture, this intake system makes the blow-
> > off valve loud enough to hear (you cannot hear it stock) and
> > reduces turbo lag. It also has a full turbo back exhaust system
> > including HKS Carbon-TI cat back exhaust with the carbon fiber
> > muffler, and the Invidia 4 inch down pipe (those of you who know
> > Subaru’s know this is top of the line). This exhaust system cost
> > about $1200 and the car sounds beautiful, not to mention that along with the >> intake it pushed the car up to about 350 horse power.
> > I have all maintenance records, there has never been any
> > mechanical problem and the oil has been changed regularly. The
> > turbo is just about fully broken in and this car can really go.
> > The tires will not need to be changed any time soon and
> >everything I didn't mention is just like it came from the factory. I have a
> > clear title that come with the car so you don't need to worry
> > about this.
> > I have uploaded the pics and you can see them here
> > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tpaul664/album?.dir=/aa3d . Please
> > email me back and let me know if you're still interested in the
> > car, and tell me your location.
> > Thank's for your interest
> > Paul
> >
> >> Jeffrey C wrote: Hello,
> > >Saw your ad listing on Kelley. I'm curious if you have some more
> > >details...not to be rude, but, it seems extremely odd to see an
> > >11k mile STi for 18,500 when others are going for 28,000. I know all
> >> about these cars so it's fine if you need to describe anything
> >>technically
> >>Thanks
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey,
I do have friends in Philly, but the problem is that the car is locked in the garage, and i'm the only one who have the keys.
One more thing, the escrow service is called squaretrade, but if you want we can use escrow.com, it's the same think for me, just let me know what you want to use and give me your details (name and address) needed for the transaction's registration.
I tried to sell the car sooner and a friend from CO wanted to buy it, we made the papers and he was not approved on the loan, and he wasn't able to pay it, but the car have 12,500 miles not 16k.
Let me know what you decide to do. It's up to you now.
Sincearly,
Paul Thomas
Jeffrey C wrote:
Well, I'm definitely interested. I've know people who have had bad
experiences with FairTrade before but I think we can get around using
that. There has to be some way to see the car awhile...like, do you
have any friends still around Philly that can show it to me? And if
you can get them the keys and title, I can actually just pay cash for
the car after I see it. We can go to my bank and deal with the
certified check with the teller so you'll know the check is good. In
researching the car a bit, I have one other question. Carfax shows it
as going from the first owner in Texas to a dealer in Colorado a few
months ago, and that the car was sold last week in Colorado to the
second owner, with 12,500 miles. You were the first owner, correct?
Did you bring the car from Colorado? I'm worried it might have 16,000
miles now if that is the case.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul T
Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: stti
> The car is registered in TX, and now it is in a garrage in Philly.
> If you decide to buy the car i have to come to PA and i can
> deliver it to your address or we can meet in Philadelphia and take
> the car to a subaru dealer for an inspection. Anyway before i do
> that i will need the payment to be made. I know that $18,500 is a
> large amount so to get started i will need a 50% deposit.
> If you think you could do that we can make this deal work.
> By the way, for our safety i want to make this deal through
> SquareTrade. I am a Square Trade member. They will act like a
> THIRD PARTY and we'll both be protected. I will give you a few
> days to test the car and to see that nothing is wrong with it. If
> you want to proceed with the deal please send me your full name
> and address needed for the papers and shipping.
> Here are the steps of the deal :
> 1.The Seller will open the transaction --> 2.The buyer has to
> make the payment to Square Trade Financial Department --> 3.The
> Seller will recceive the confirmation thhat the payment is made -->
> 4.The seller will ship the item to the buyer -->5.The buyer will
> contact Square Trade to tell them if he is satisfied or not -->
> 6.Square Trade will release the money to the seller (in case the
> buyer is satisfied) and to the buyer (in case that he is not
> satisfied). So, please read this email twice and let me know. I
> hope you agree with me, because I think that it is the best way to
> protect us both both (seller and buyer). Once i have the
> confirmation from SquareTrade that the down payment has been made
> we'll arange a day to meet and give you the car.
> Just email me back and let me know your decision. I'll wait for
> your email.
> Paul T
>
> Jeffrey C wrote:
> Thanks for the info.
> I'm actually around Philly, which is how it came up on Kelley when
> I searched for cars around here. Was the car purchased in TX or did
> you only have it up around Philly? I'm trying to think if I remember
> this car from any of the local meets. With you being in TX and the car
> in PA, would it be feasible to check it out?
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul T
> Date: Saturday, October 22, 2005 7:59 pm
> Subject: Re: sti>
> > Hi,
> > Yes, the STi is still for sale. First of all i need to tell
> > you that I have moved at my parents in Plano TX after i have
> >lost my job, and the car is locked in a garage in Philadelphia PA, at
> > my old address.
> > This is a WRX STI that is in perfect condition inside and
> > out, has been babied the entire 13 months I have had it. I am
> >the original owner and this car has never been smoked in. Still has
> >a valid warranty that lasts three years from when I bought in June
> > of 2004, or 45,000 miles. As you can see by the pictures this
> >car has the beautiful black paint with gold specs and gold rims.
> > I have put well over $2000 into aftermarket accessories for
> > this car. STI's do not come with any stereo so I installed four
> > Alpine speakers along with the Alpine 9813 head unit that is MP3
> > as well as XM capable. I used to have subs in the car which I
> >have since taken out, however there is still a Pheonix Golg multi
> > channel amp mounted in the trunk with all the available wiring
> >if a future owner wants to put subs in the car. Another nice extra
> >I had done is dark window tint all the way around. Now for the
> > performance stuff, it has AEM short ram intake which is the red
> > intake you see in the picture, this intake system makes the blow-
> > off valve loud enough to hear (you cannot hear it stock) and
> > reduces turbo lag. It also has a full turbo back exhaust system
> > including HKS Carbon-TI cat back exhaust with the carbon fiber
> > muffler, and the Invidia 4 inch down pipe (those of you who know
> > Subaru’s know this is top of the line). This exhaust system cost
> > about $1200 and the car sounds beautiful, not to mention that along with the >> intake it pushed the car up to about 350 horse power.
> > I have all maintenance records, there has never been any
> > mechanical problem and the oil has been changed regularly. The
> > turbo is just about fully broken in and this car can really go.
> > The tires will not need to be changed any time soon and
> >everything I didn't mention is just like it came from the factory. I have a
> > clear title that come with the car so you don't need to worry
> > about this.
> > I have uploaded the pics and you can see them here
> > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tpaul664/album?.dir=/aa3d . Please
> > email me back and let me know if you're still interested in the
> > car, and tell me your location.
> > Thank's for your interest
> > Paul
> >
> >> Jeffrey C wrote: Hello,
> > >Saw your ad listing on Kelley. I'm curious if you have some more
> > >details...not to be rude, but, it seems extremely odd to see an
> > >11k mile STi for 18,500 when others are going for 28,000. I know all
> >> about these cars so it's fine if you need to describe anything
> >>technically
> >>Thanks
10-26-2005, 09:41 AM
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Certainly seems fishy. If he's asking you to send a 50% deposit before you even look at the car, something is up. If he does have friends in Philladelphia, offer to pay postage and he can mail the garage keys to his buddies so you and his friend can meet up to check out the car. He doesn't have to send the car key, just the garage key so you can at least look at it in person. If you like it and you want to buy it, absolutely insist that you do the deal in person, or via an escrow company that YOU pick.
But I don't think it's real. The car is listed way too low to be legit without REALLY good reason for listing it so low. The seller refuses to meet with you in person and won't work something out so you can meet with his local friends to check out the car. Then he says you have to send a %50 deposit without even seeing the car in person. Yeah.
But I don't think it's real. The car is listed way too low to be legit without REALLY good reason for listing it so low. The seller refuses to meet with you in person and won't work something out so you can meet with his local friends to check out the car. Then he says you have to send a %50 deposit without even seeing the car in person. Yeah.
10-26-2005, 09:44 AM
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Well, something I learned from reading this afternoon online...any seller who ever mentions SquareTrade is FRAUDULENT because ST does not even offer escrow services. So yeah, this is a 100% scam. Be on the lookout for it. I'm having Yahoo shut his account off.
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