08 Subaru STI pricing _OUTRAGEOUS_
12-13-2007 | 09:57 PM
#31
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Your logic doesn't hold up here, on several levels. A 35k car doesn't equal a $600 payment, unless you've got garbage credit; I pay $430 a month for a $36k Acura RDX. Furthermore, the difference between $600 and $1000 is indeed $400, not the kind of money to be sneezed at; if the car payment is an issue and you are such a baller, it makes more sense to just buy it for cash.
Look at the other cars in the 35k bracket: Lexus 350, BMW 325ci, Infiniti G35, Mustang GT; you can even put an Azera in that bracket if you tack on enough crap. The even sell Accords and Passats for that price now. The STI blows ALL of those away. As for the Z06, you can't beat one in a straight line but I can confirm for a fact you can turn a corner faster; I've done it -- and in an STI you can still scare the crap out of that Corvette until he hits 100 and passes you. The STI can indeed hold up to a Corvette anywhere but on an oval track (ever see a Corvette tackle gravel?). Besides, who wants to drive a car that screams "Hello, Rogaine and Levitra, I need someone to change my Depends?" Not to mention the fact that you can't even carry 2 bags of groceries in a Vette without leaving your passenger at home... STI gets you 5 doors, you can put five people in it and the snowboards on the roof by the time the Vette owner has put on his first tire chain.
Meanwhile, that junker you've dropped $10k into might be competitive, but is now totally worthless in resale value, can't be titled in some states and probably drives like crap around town. I've been in plenty of 400whp modded cars, and they are quirky, obnoxious, failure-prone and cop magnets to boot. You can get an STI and dominate street and track and keep the damn thing stock, title and insurance and resale value intact. Even if the price is higher, no one is doing that much in the price bracket besides Subaru and the STI.
Oh, and if you hate the STI price, wait until you see the EVO X price...
Look at the other cars in the 35k bracket: Lexus 350, BMW 325ci, Infiniti G35, Mustang GT; you can even put an Azera in that bracket if you tack on enough crap. The even sell Accords and Passats for that price now. The STI blows ALL of those away. As for the Z06, you can't beat one in a straight line but I can confirm for a fact you can turn a corner faster; I've done it -- and in an STI you can still scare the crap out of that Corvette until he hits 100 and passes you. The STI can indeed hold up to a Corvette anywhere but on an oval track (ever see a Corvette tackle gravel?). Besides, who wants to drive a car that screams "Hello, Rogaine and Levitra, I need someone to change my Depends?" Not to mention the fact that you can't even carry 2 bags of groceries in a Vette without leaving your passenger at home... STI gets you 5 doors, you can put five people in it and the snowboards on the roof by the time the Vette owner has put on his first tire chain.
Meanwhile, that junker you've dropped $10k into might be competitive, but is now totally worthless in resale value, can't be titled in some states and probably drives like crap around town. I've been in plenty of 400whp modded cars, and they are quirky, obnoxious, failure-prone and cop magnets to boot. You can get an STI and dominate street and track and keep the damn thing stock, title and insurance and resale value intact. Even if the price is higher, no one is doing that much in the price bracket besides Subaru and the STI.
Oh, and if you hate the STI price, wait until you see the EVO X price...
All I'm saying is that to me, the new STi isn't worth my dollar. I'd rather spend a little more, maybe even twice as much and have something that I'm at least still in the top of the class. Do you remember how dominant the STis and EVOs were when they came out? Not much could touch them including many exotics. That isn't the case now and if I'm going to bother staying in the performance class I'm getting something really competitive. For that money the new STi just isn't competitive enough for me. I'd rather have total luxury or total performance and it offers neither anymore.
12-14-2007 | 08:20 AM
#32
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You're still expecting a $35k 5-door practical sports wagon to somehow equal or beat a $75k specialized 2-seater sports coupe. If you can find some kind of logic or sense in that, or a reason why a $32k (just a year ago) must now become a $36k supercar-killer, then I guess you'll have to puzzle that out for yourself.
12-14-2007 | 09:05 AM
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You're still expecting a $35k 5-door practical sports wagon to somehow equal or beat a $75k specialized 2-seater sports coupe. If you can find some kind of logic or sense in that, or a reason why a $32k (just a year ago) must now become a $36k supercar-killer, then I guess you'll have to puzzle that out for yourself.
Subaru is clearly trying to broaden it's market by making an STi like this. I couldn't give **** less about comfort when I'm in a performance car. With that said, they need to do what they did with the first one; radio delete, barely legal street tires, questionable fuel economy, etc... I riped the rear seats and every other comfort feature my car offered out while it still had a fresh warranty. I don't care about that stuff, I paid for speed so that's what I want. Not navigation, cargo room and a soft ride. Hence, not worth MY MONEY.
12-14-2007 | 10:03 AM
#34
You guys have to look at the R/D costs too. This STi is a complete remodel compared to the previous years. All the STi so far were just using the same chassis with minor tweaks here and there. Just get the one w/o the BBS package and the price diff is not that bad. I, for sure, can't justify $2500 extra for BBS rims that uses the same rubber as the stock 18s. You can get better rims/tire combo for that price.
The potential for this new chassis is also very promising. Just read all the reviews posted on the web. Perrin also has their hands on the car, and starting to see how is reacts to an engine tune.
Just drive one when it reaches your dealer, and perhaps that extra cost ain't so bad after all.
I like BMWs too, but their reliablity records is not good. I know several 5-7series that broke down after 30K. Not sure about the new 135i, but I don't think it will be reliable as a subie.
The potential for this new chassis is also very promising. Just read all the reviews posted on the web. Perrin also has their hands on the car, and starting to see how is reacts to an engine tune.
Just drive one when it reaches your dealer, and perhaps that extra cost ain't so bad after all.
I like BMWs too, but their reliablity records is not good. I know several 5-7series that broke down after 30K. Not sure about the new 135i, but I don't think it will be reliable as a subie.
12-14-2007 | 10:24 AM
#35
Jesus Christ, do I need to draw you a diagram? Did I not explain this clear enough? I never said I expect the "$35k 5-door practical sports wagon to somehow equal or beat a $75k specialized 2-seater sports coupe". I said that the "wagon" isn't worth my "$35K" where as at least with the "$75k coupe" I'd at least be relatively competitive. There was a time when you could take your brand new 04-05 STi or EVO to an auto-x event and clean up shop pretty well. That's not the case anymore. With that said I will not be buying another STi until it is either A) more performance oriented or B) cheaper.
Subaru is clearly trying to broaden it's market by making an STi like this. I couldn't give **** less about comfort when I'm in a performance car. With that said, they need to do what they did with the first one; radio delete, barely legal street tires, questionable fuel economy, etc... I riped the rear seats and every other comfort feature my car offered out while it still had a fresh warranty. I don't care about that stuff, I paid for speed so that's what I want. Not navigation, cargo room and a soft ride. Hence, not worth MY MONEY.
Subaru is clearly trying to broaden it's market by making an STi like this. I couldn't give **** less about comfort when I'm in a performance car. With that said, they need to do what they did with the first one; radio delete, barely legal street tires, questionable fuel economy, etc... I riped the rear seats and every other comfort feature my car offered out while it still had a fresh warranty. I don't care about that stuff, I paid for speed so that's what I want. Not navigation, cargo room and a soft ride. Hence, not worth MY MONEY.
Please explain why it can make it around Tsukuba close to a Spec-Cs time? While explaining is a moot point already, maybe the Lotus Exige or the Ariel Atom is a better choice for your tastes?
12-14-2007 | 10:21 PM
#37
Your logic doesn't hold up here, on several levels. A 35k car doesn't equal a $600 payment, unless you've got garbage credit; I pay $430 a month for a $36k Acura RDX. Furthermore, the difference between $600 and $1000 is indeed $400, not the kind of money to be sneezed at; if the car payment is an issue and you are such a baller, it makes more sense to just buy it for cash.
Look at the other cars in the 35k bracket: Lexus 350, BMW 325ci, Infiniti G35, Mustang GT; you can even put an Azera in that bracket if you tack on enough crap. The even sell Accords and Passats for that price now. The STI blows ALL of those away. As for the Z06, you can't beat one in a straight line but I can confirm for a fact you can turn a corner faster; I've done it -- and in an STI you can still scare the crap out of that Corvette until he hits 100 and passes you. The STI can indeed hold up to a Corvette anywhere but on an oval track (ever see a Corvette tackle gravel?). Besides, who wants to drive a car that screams "Hello, Rogaine and Levitra, I need someone to change my Depends?" Not to mention the fact that you can't even carry 2 bags of groceries in a Vette without leaving your passenger at home... STI gets you 5 doors, you can put five people in it and the snowboards on the roof by the time the Vette owner has put on his first tire chain.
Meanwhile, that junker you've dropped $10k into might be competitive, but is now totally worthless in resale value, can't be titled in some states and probably drives like crap around town. I've been in plenty of 400whp modded cars, and they are quirky, obnoxious, failure-prone and cop magnets to boot. You can get an STI and dominate street and track and keep the damn thing stock, title and insurance and resale value intact. Even if the price is higher, no one is doing that much in the price bracket besides Subaru and the STI.
Oh, and if you hate the STI price, wait until you see the EVO X price...
Look at the other cars in the 35k bracket: Lexus 350, BMW 325ci, Infiniti G35, Mustang GT; you can even put an Azera in that bracket if you tack on enough crap. The even sell Accords and Passats for that price now. The STI blows ALL of those away. As for the Z06, you can't beat one in a straight line but I can confirm for a fact you can turn a corner faster; I've done it -- and in an STI you can still scare the crap out of that Corvette until he hits 100 and passes you. The STI can indeed hold up to a Corvette anywhere but on an oval track (ever see a Corvette tackle gravel?). Besides, who wants to drive a car that screams "Hello, Rogaine and Levitra, I need someone to change my Depends?" Not to mention the fact that you can't even carry 2 bags of groceries in a Vette without leaving your passenger at home... STI gets you 5 doors, you can put five people in it and the snowboards on the roof by the time the Vette owner has put on his first tire chain.
Meanwhile, that junker you've dropped $10k into might be competitive, but is now totally worthless in resale value, can't be titled in some states and probably drives like crap around town. I've been in plenty of 400whp modded cars, and they are quirky, obnoxious, failure-prone and cop magnets to boot. You can get an STI and dominate street and track and keep the damn thing stock, title and insurance and resale value intact. Even if the price is higher, no one is doing that much in the price bracket besides Subaru and the STI.
Oh, and if you hate the STI price, wait until you see the EVO X price...
12-15-2007 | 10:20 AM
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For the record, right from my 'STI Advance Product Guide' (these MSRP's include shipping/freight, which we all pay):
Impreza STI: $35,690.00
Impreza STI/BBS Package: $37,690.00
Impreza STI/BBS & Nav: $39,490.00
FYI: I also sell EVO X's. The MSRP on the MR will be $39,500.00
As you can see, it's pretty much 'apples to apples' on the loaded STI and MR!
Impreza STI: $35,690.00
Impreza STI/BBS Package: $37,690.00
Impreza STI/BBS & Nav: $39,490.00
FYI: I also sell EVO X's. The MSRP on the MR will be $39,500.00
As you can see, it's pretty much 'apples to apples' on the loaded STI and MR!
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12-16-2007 | 11:01 AM
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Well, remember that the base EVO X has also seen a huge jump, from $28k to $34k. Subaru isn't the only one hiking up the prices between model years. Even the Passat has seen a $6k increase, and have you priced the new Accords? Entry-level cars have gone from $11k to $18k. At this rate, first-time buyers or young buyers are going to have no option but used.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/mitsubishi-evolution-x.html
http://www.leftlanenews.com/mitsubishi-evolution-x.html
12-16-2007 | 11:10 AM
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Jesus Christ, do I need to draw you a diagram? Did I not explain this clear enough? I never said I expect the "$35k 5-door practical sports wagon to somehow equal or beat a $75k specialized 2-seater sports coupe". I said that the "wagon" isn't worth my "$35K" where as at least with the "$75k coupe" I'd at least be relatively competitive. There was a time when you could take your brand new 04-05 STi or EVO to an auto-x event and clean up shop pretty well. That's not the case anymore. With that said I will not be buying another STi until it is either A) more performance oriented or B) cheaper.
The STI has been the exact same weight, HP and torque for the last seven years, essentially; this year it gets more torque, but 300/300 has been the US spec forever. What would you have it be? You can't significantly lighten the car, AWD weighs a ton and stiffness isn't free either. Would 400hp be enough? 660? If Subaru made a $75k STI, with a nice interior and equal HP to the 'Vette, would you buy that? I'm just trying to understand what the expectations are at the below-$40k level. You can't even get a Porsche Boxter or a BMW 330ci for below $40k.
12-16-2007 | 07:10 PM
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You're damn right.
12-17-2007 | 05:40 PM
#43
Taken directly from Perrin's review:
"Many people are complaining about how expensive the STI is this year. The price for the base STI did go up $1000, but there is more than a $1000 in parts. 18 wheels, 245 wide tires, 2 stage DSC, New Center diff settings, Lower engine and drive train, more powerful engine, nicer interior, better seating position, telescoping steering wheel, wider track, shorter body, cool hatchback shape, and the flares all make it worth way more than $1000. Not to mention than this STI has the most potential for power and handling compared to previous STI's.
Subaru did leave some things to be desired, but of course, no car is perfect. That is why the term "aftermarket parts" exist!"
Link to entire article
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/66
"Many people are complaining about how expensive the STI is this year. The price for the base STI did go up $1000, but there is more than a $1000 in parts. 18 wheels, 245 wide tires, 2 stage DSC, New Center diff settings, Lower engine and drive train, more powerful engine, nicer interior, better seating position, telescoping steering wheel, wider track, shorter body, cool hatchback shape, and the flares all make it worth way more than $1000. Not to mention than this STI has the most potential for power and handling compared to previous STI's.
Subaru did leave some things to be desired, but of course, no car is perfect. That is why the term "aftermarket parts" exist!"
Link to entire article
http://www.perrinperformance.com/pages/show/66
12-18-2007 | 11:11 PM
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wasn't perrin given a car to play with... just wondering if that would play into the nice review.
My bend on the article... Yeah it's got more than $1000 in parts different between 04 and 09 but that's 5 years of technical advances. It's a given that the parts would be better so you have to take that out of the equation.
That's like saying that it's warranted for a company to charge more because the same model car has 40 hp more than it did 5 years ago... of course it's not going to go down.
For the money you pay for the 09sti it's a complete rip off. It is a nice performing vehicle and more civilized than the previous versions but comparing what you can get for the same/less or a couple thousand more it's a joke.
But those that have the dough are getting a hell of a nice car and if what I'm hearing is correct a good investment as this is a one year only car.
So expect demand and prices to go up. Much like that of the R32. Resell value is INSANE.
But they just priced themselves out of my budget. I could get a hemi magnum for that. If I wanted refined I'd buy an Audi or a BMW. Both of which are LEAPS and bounds ahead of the sti for similar price ranges.
If things don't change by the time I look to by another car there is a good chance I'll either get a truck or go with a different maker.
They are sliding off the deepend quick.
My bend on the article... Yeah it's got more than $1000 in parts different between 04 and 09 but that's 5 years of technical advances. It's a given that the parts would be better so you have to take that out of the equation.
That's like saying that it's warranted for a company to charge more because the same model car has 40 hp more than it did 5 years ago... of course it's not going to go down.
For the money you pay for the 09sti it's a complete rip off. It is a nice performing vehicle and more civilized than the previous versions but comparing what you can get for the same/less or a couple thousand more it's a joke.
But those that have the dough are getting a hell of a nice car and if what I'm hearing is correct a good investment as this is a one year only car.
So expect demand and prices to go up. Much like that of the R32. Resell value is INSANE.
But they just priced themselves out of my budget. I could get a hemi magnum for that. If I wanted refined I'd buy an Audi or a BMW. Both of which are LEAPS and bounds ahead of the sti for similar price ranges.
If things don't change by the time I look to by another car there is a good chance I'll either get a truck or go with a different maker.
They are sliding off the deepend quick.
