I Lost Traction... How??
12-12-2004 | 08:57 AM
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The RE92's get such terrible reviews that I ordered Zero Nero M+S tires to replace them on my one month old GT limited. I'll save the RE92's in my basement and someday when I sell my car, I'll put them back on. The new owner will think he's getting a great deal by having new tires!
12-12-2004 | 09:11 AM
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Hey slewis, let me know what you think of those Pirellis. Right now I can't decide between the Neros and the Extreme Contacts. I think the E/C's have the edge in the snow, but I wondered how loud the Pirellis were at speed.
12-12-2004 | 10:56 AM
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I also ordered the Continental Extreme Contacts for my son's Saab the same time I ordered the Pirelli's for me. The Continental's will do better in the snow. Since he's only 16, and has front wheel drive instead of AWD, I wanted him to have the snow advantage of the Continental's. Since my car has the all wheel drive, I didn't think the slight difference in snow performance would make that much of a difference. I think the Pirelli's are better all around performance tires. But from what I've read, both tires are great and you can't go wrong with either.
12-12-2004 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
I agree with sonic suby. AWD/4WD dosnt save your but when your agianst laws of physics
Cheers
-Jeff
Ps.- Youre lucky you wernt driving a MR2, then youd be reallly, really screwed
Cheers
-Jeff
Ps.- Youre lucky you wernt driving a MR2, then youd be reallly, really screwed
12-12-2004 | 03:28 PM
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throttle + slick road + car's direction currently changing = using up all of available traction = temporary loss of tail end of car.
Is you're AWD broken? No, but I'd reccomend some perf. driving courses if that scared you that badly.
Is you're AWD broken? No, but I'd reccomend some perf. driving courses if that scared you that badly.
12-14-2004 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Br1t1shguy
Is you're AWD broken? No, but I'd reccomend some perf. driving courses if that scared you that badly.
Originally Posted by Nflight
If you are more interested in this type of performance I suggest trying a driving school which can show you how to slide your vehicle through the corners with ease. Bob Bondurant Schools now offers this program and also Tim O'Neil School for Rally Driving can also show you how to slide your vehicle around corners. I hope this helps
Although driving like that is fun its just not something to do on the streets. 
12-14-2004 | 05:25 PM
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you def should go to subaru to have this problem checked out...
i was going 95mph and did a u-turn and my car just ate it up and off i went without one tire breaking loose...
seriously... AWD can't break loose...talk to your dealer
i was going 95mph and did a u-turn and my car just ate it up and off i went without one tire breaking loose...
seriously... AWD can't break loose...talk to your dealer
12-14-2004 | 06:42 PM
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Well this was over a year ago and someone brought this back up. But it has only happend once by accident and I figure its like how that blingblingblue guy said it hasnt rained in a long time at that area so the roads was more oiley and wet.
Usually when I drive fast I dont lose traction, I know I could but I just haven't really yet on accident. Times when I lose traction is when I do it on purpose.
Usually when I drive fast I dont lose traction, I know I could but I just haven't really yet on accident. Times when I lose traction is when I do it on purpose.
12-15-2004 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Azjon
I was driving back from LA two days ago and the rain had been going on and off. And to get onto the freeway I had to make a quick right which was a U-Turn (first time making a U-Turn going right since normally its left) and while I was turning I gassed the car a little more and then I started losing traction. It felt like fish tailing in my truck. I was only going like 20MPH too. I got almost 30k miles on my car and my friend blamed it on my tires being balled but when I checked it out it really wasn't. Another friend of mine guessed that the AWD broke (he doesnt know much about cars so yeah).
Does anyone know why this happend? I think it must have been a really slippery road. I dont want this to happen again! At least while i'm just doing a daily drive.
Does anyone know why this happend? I think it must have been a really slippery road. I dont want this to happen again! At least while i'm just doing a daily drive.
) Edit- Well, if your tires were bald, then that is even worse. That surface is slippery. There are other factors too such as cold tires, hydroplaning, etc.. Don't think for a second that you are invincible just because you are in an AWD car. It'll help, but won't prevent.
Tim
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12-15-2004 | 09:40 PM
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thats where the most of you guys are mistaken. i sell subarus. and our training manual says that the AWD system allows you to take uturns at a maximum speed of 55mph in the rain. that means that you must have had a AWD failure.
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
12-16-2004 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gdogg
thats where the most of you guys are mistaken. i sell subarus. and our training manual says that the AWD system allows you to take uturns at a maximum speed of 55mph in the rain. that means that you must have had a AWD failure.
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
Traitor! I take u-turns pretty fast and this was only once. I'm still going with the not raining for a few months making the road very oiley idea.
12-16-2004 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gdogg
thats where the most of you guys are mistaken. i sell subarus. and our training manual says that the AWD system allows you to take uturns at a maximum speed of 55mph in the rain. that means that you must have had a AWD failure.
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
i say donate your car, cut your losses and go buy a tiburon.
aloha from the summit of *-^-Mauna Kea-^-*
I repeat, AWD does not increase cornering speeds. Period.
Tires, suspension geometry, curb weight, downforce, and driver skill effect cornering speeds. Period.
AWD does how ever increase corner EXIT speed due to the fact that you can potentially apply more power to the cars wheels coming out of the apex due to the increased driven wheel traction.
So corner ENTRY speed is not effected while corner EXIT is. See how that works? The fact that the car is AWD doesnt effect how fast you can go into a U-Turn, why? Because the fact that you can accelerate 4 wheels instead of 2 doesnt effect the fact that if you go into a turn too fast you'll understeer right of the road.
There is NOTHING strange about what happend to this guy, if you think the fact that you can make an AWD car's tail step out using the throttle is strange you obviously have no to very little driving experience.
It's called power induced oversteer. Watch a WRC rally, they do it the whole damn time. He just happend to do it because he tipped into the throttle on a wet road while using all of his available traction to make a sharp u-turn causing the rear tires to break loose. It's fun, I do it on on-ramps ;-p