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Old 02-28-2007 | 02:43 PM
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actually there were eye witnesses that said they saw a missile type device flying overhead before the impact.
Just like the eyewitness reports that a missile took down TWA-800 (puts on hip waders), and the eyewitness reports of Elvis, bigfoot and little green men...
I hate to use "Loose Change" to rebut all of my statements, but its in there too
If only The mockumentary you refer to used one solid piece of evidence from a reliable source, not bits and pieces that could be twisted to fit their points...
Old 02-28-2007 | 02:45 PM
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Just like the eyewitness reports that a missile took down TWA-800 (puts on hip waders), and the eyewitness reports of Elvis, bigfoot and little green men...

If only The mockumentary you refer to used one solid piece of evidence from a reliable source, not bits and pieces that could be twisted to fit their points...

I don't know how you can consider it a mockumentary when what they do is show news and other points posted from other news sources, and question what they say.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
and more linking to the loose change forums, but its good stuff

missile spotted instead of a plane

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...showtopic=4683
so you have, what, one source for this argument? one source with not-so-rock-solid credibility vs. the laws of physics.

well, i'm torn here...
Old 02-28-2007 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
I don't know how you can consider it a mockumentary when what they do is show news and other points posted from other news sources, and question what they say.
I watched that piece of trash because just like you, my boss wears tin foil hats. They take bits and pieces of statements that are taken out of context to make points that they pulled out of their asses and produced a video blog about it. Do you really think our government could pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude? It just is not possible.

Much of the news stories they used were taken from broadcasts minutes after the attacks happend when reporters were reporting word of mouth stories that came from someone's Brother's girlfriend's cousin that was on the phone with a tourist that had been in New York the week before the attack that may or may not have stayed at the Holiday Inn Express the previous evening...
Old 02-28-2007 | 03:00 PM
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so you have, what, one source for this argument? one source with not-so-rock-solid credibility vs. the laws of physics.

well, i'm torn here...



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I just want to know how come the damage from this plane that was probably at full throttle did not do as much damage and destruction to everything else around the crash scene as most airline accidents
Old 02-28-2007 | 03:03 PM
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huh? that was sorta my point... these planes left rebel... parts of the planes... the pentagon one left absolutely nothing that resembled a plane....




Don't you think the engines in the plane would be able to withstand the heat from the fire, especially since they tend to you know use that very same fuel to make the plane fly?
Plane Vs. Concrete

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Concrete 1

Plane 0
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the army had no definite plans to go play in the sand again until a few weeks after 9/11. Raytheon and General Dynamics were heavily involved with the construction of the centcom deployable headquarters, based in qatar, which is used as the command center for middle east operations. that command center didn't exist as anything beyond a pipe-dream until after 9/11. the proposals for it were requested in late october, early november of '01. it was fast-tracked through government procurement as a prototype and design began in december of '01. it was delivered to the army around july '02 and promptly shipped over to qatar.

if it was all orchestrated by the government and military, don't you think that the infrastructure for such a war would have been ready in advance? we would have been over there within a week or two if that was the case.
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I watched that piece of trash because just like you, my boss wears tin foil hats. They take bits and pieces of statements that are taken out of context to make points that they pulled out of their asses and produced a video blog about it. Do you really think our government could pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude? It just is not possible.

Much of the news stories they used were taken from broadcasts minutes after the attacks happened when reporters were reporting word of mouth stories that came from someone's Brother's girlfriend's cousin that was on the phone with a tourist that had been in New York the week before the attack that may or may not have stayed at the Holiday Inn Express the previous evening...

its not wearing a tin foil hat when you question what government gives you as an explination but it does not make sense

I do believe they thought they could and they tried, but there are too many holes that are starting to unravel about the specifics from that day.

I do not think they are pulling facts out of their ***, almost everything they talk about or use as proof to debunk a part of 9/11 is backed up by outside sources or technical resources.

I do not think there is anything in those "Mocumentarys" that they say "I think" or "I believe", if they state anything, its backed up by facts proven from outside sources.
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the army had no definite plans to go play in the sand again until a few weeks after 9/11. Raytheon and General Dynamics were heavily involved with the construction of the centcom deployable headquarters, based in qatar, which is used as the command center for middle east operations. that command center didn't exist as anything beyond a pipe-dream until after 9/11. the proposals for it were requested in late october, early november of '01. it was fast-tracked through government procurement as a prototype and design began in december of '01. it was delivered to the army around july '02 and promptly shipped over to qatar.

if it was all orchestrated by the government and military, don't you think that the infrastructure for such a war would have been ready in advance? we would have been over there within a week or two if that was the case.

yeah, that would not have made it too obvious if we had troops ready to go and everything packed up on the morning of 9/11 huh?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious


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I just want to know how come the damage from this plane that was probably at full throttle did not do as much damage and destruction to everything else around the crash scene as most airline accidents
i'm not an NTSB investigator and neither is anyone else in this thread. as much as you can speculate that it wasn't an airplane, i can speculate that it was.
Old 02-28-2007 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
its not wearing a tin foil hat when you question what government gives you as an explination but it does not make sense
Because you are a trained civil, sturctural and mechanical engineer along with a trained crash site investigator? Do you understand everything you do and see every day or do you understand that there some things you just accept that it is what it is even though you don't understand all aspects of it?
I do believe they thought they could and they tried, but there are too many holes that are starting to unravel about the specifics from that day.
Please see above, a good attorney can blow holes in the most solid case so that theory is out the window.
I do not think they are pulling facts out of their ***, almost everything they talk about or use as proof to debunk a part of 9/11 is backed up by outside sources or technical resources.
Like the weekly world news or some crackpot that claims to be an expert is something he does not understand? Hell I have a speeding ticket on my recotd because the judge believed that the officer could visually estimate my speed when he was facing the other direction.
I do not think there is anything in those "Mocumentarys" that they say "I think" or "I believe", if they state anything, its backed up by facts proven from outside sources.
If loose change was even close to being right, it and it's creators would never be heard from again. Afterall if our government had the ability to pull this conspiracy off, it could surely eliminate a few college students and their web site don't you think?
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I don't know what hit the pentagon, if it was a plane, all I want to know is why is there not more ground damage done then what is normally seen in an airliner crash.

Although the pilot might have had the skill to hit the building first and not touch the ground either.. mad skillz y0
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Scott and Gore have at least one thng in common, I have proof:

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Because you are a trained civil, sturctural and mechanical engineer along with a trained crash site investigator? Do you understand everything you do and see every day or do you understand that there some things you just accept that it is what it is even though you don't understand all aspects of it?
I do not think you need to be an expert in every field to look at something and come to the conclusion that it does not make sense. If not, I got a bridge to sell you.

Please see above, a good attorney can blow holes in the most solid case so that theory is out the window.
I do not see how an attorney arguing a case has anything to do with facts that start to come out about a possible cover-up that possibly happened 5 1/2 years ago

Like the weekly world news or some crackpot that claims to be an expert is something he does not understand? Hell I have a speeding ticket on my recotd because the judge believed that the officer could visually estimate my speed when he was facing the other direction.
I still do not see how him citing outside sources or experts make him a crackpot. Are the references being used webmasters from ufosarereal.com and ihatethegovernmentsoiwillmakestuffup.com ?


If loose change was even close to being right, it and it's creators would never be heard from again. Afterall if our government had the ability to pull this conspiracy off, it could surely eliminate a few college students and their web site don't you think?
actually, if they did disappear, then that would lead even more creditability to their stories. If the propaganda machine just tries to discredit them by releasing even more stories or *facts*, that would work better for them
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Scott and Gore have at least one thng in common, I have proof:


haha.. resort to name calling when you cannot argue anymore..

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