lol

 

A "long way" into the building? My understanding was that it made it through the room(s) it impacted, through a corridor, and into the next set of rooms. Not shabby really.

As for the WTC, the direct damage from the planes wasn't devastating. They'd be done with the renovations if the melting point of the steel wasn't lower than the combustion temp of jet fuel.

 

Another thing I'm interested in; I want someone to match the paint scheme on the wreckage found at the Pentagon with the paint scheme on the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon.

And tail numbers/ part id #'s
Every plane has specific parts that are recorded in a log with serial numbers for QA purposes

 

that's my point, with all the reinforcement with steel beams and yada yada yada they had to guard against serious damage in an attack it shouldn't have made it any more than 15-20 feet, at the most. It look like it made it at least 50-60 feet


again that's my point, the WTC had minimal damage from the airplane yet the Pentagon got hammered, it should have been the other way around since the Pentagon is so much stronger.

 

:rotfl: How are you calculating that??? When they did the reinforcement, did they calculate a 757 or missile attack?

 

Since it's the Pentagon I will go out on a limb and say the building is meant to withstand everything except a nuclear attack. Soooo missiles

An airplane is MUCH more fragile and less harmful than a missile so it should have done VERY LITTLE damage.

 

You haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

/me waits for RussB or Egan to check in.

 

Here's a theory for ya.

The Navy does missile testing all the time (no warhead) we shoot Tomahawks on training excercises for practice. What if a submarine was conducting an excercise of the coast of new york/Connecticut ( FYI- Groton Ct. has the largest submarine base in the world) and one of the boats launched a " training missile" (all missiles are taken onboard and inspected, all guidance instructions and coordinates are pre-programmed prior to going onboard a ship or submarine) The onboard personnel truly don't know any of the waypoints(except waypoint #1 and this is only to verify that the missile is operating correctly) so theoretically we could have launched our own missile at the Pentagon

 

seen any missiles lately? I puny little tomahawk will do more than an airplane. jet fuel will have an affect on the surrounding area but pound for pound a missile has more destruction.

 

I repeat... you do not know what you are talking about. 2 tons of explosives does not do as much, or the same kind of, damage as 130+ TONS of aircraft hitting something at ~250 mph.

 

a conventional missile doesn't actually "impact" anything... it detonates at a distance from it's target. the shockwave of the explosion and the shrapnel is what causes damage. there are some missiles that can penetrate solid objects, but they're either: very small to take out tanks and stuff, or very large and would have done a hell of a lot more damage than what was done.

the damage done to the WTC and the pentagon seems very reasonable to me as having been done by a commercial airplane. they're not exactly flimsy, but they're not uber-solid either. an airplane is not meant to slam into a building and remain intact, they are meant to fly and weight is of the utmost importance. either building has a stronger structure than an airplane, and it's very reasonable for the plane to kind break apart on impact. the buildings didn't come down immediately. they came down because of the fires melting the steel structure. once the structure gave way, and the top 1/3 or so of the building starts to come straight down, it's going to take the rest down on it's way.

sometimes the right answer is the most obvious answer. what's the obvious answer in this situation? 3 buildings got hit by airplanes and were damaged. simple as that.

 

What I find absolutely hilarious is the pentagon released that first footage of the plane hitting the building, it was three frames where you couldn't see ****...

then they released another video of the plane hitting it from basically the same angle as OMG OMG LOOK SEE A PLANE REALLY DID HIT IT PROOF... and it was the same three ****ty frames that you couldn't see jack **** with... infact you could see the other camera from the first video proof in the second video...

Then the government went and took all the surrounding hotels, gas station, highway surveliance cameras and won't let anyone see them... WTF is that about? what do they have to hide? why wouldn't they just release the video's if a plane really did hit the building... makes no ****ing sense

 

or thats what they want you to believe

 

Like they needed an excuse, because the "sand people" crashing planes in to our buildings was not enough so they thought hey, lets launch a missile in to the Pentagon just to put the icing on the cake. You sir are an ankle grabbing *** vandalizing **** douche nozzle.

Oh yeah, the "they forced the plane to land, rounded up all the passengers, put them in a room, blew them up, scattered the remnants around the pentagon, painted the plane all white and now use it to shuttle people in and out of Area 51" explanation...

Because you are rich on stupidity and poor on common sense? That makes perfect sense now.
Seems to have worked...
Sounds like some great engineering work to me.
Cool, it worked...
Built to withstand the impact of an airplane at full throttle, mind you an airplane that did not even exist when the building was constructed? Or built to withstand the impact of a much lighter and slower airplane making an evasive maneuver trying to avoid the contact with the building and not aimed directly at the building at ramming speed?
Of a newer building made to compartmentalize any attack to prevent widespread destruction? Again I submit that you are an idiot, oh yeah - and that the engineering that went in to the Pentagon appears to have worked as planned.

And what if a pentagon worker had Chipotle for lunch and decided to light their farts on fire at their desk?

That is about as likeley as your scenario, but just as far from the truth. If the WTC was already attacked what is the point in attacking the Pentagon? The American public is much more ready to accept military casualties than civilians in the WTC buildings. So tell me what was gained by launching your supposed missile at the Pentagon?

 

that being said, i'm not sure if I buy into this conspiracy... that would imply the bush administration is compitent... and since when has this administration ever accomplished anything??

I do however believe bush knew it was gunna happen and didn't do anything about it, so he could go to war etc etc