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And this is exactly why one should go to a camera store, and mess with the cameras - better yet - go to www.borrowlenses.com and rent a couple setups, shoot the heck out of them over a weekend and compare notes. You cannot go wrong with either Nikon or Canon, and you absolutely cannot find out which camera to buy by asking someone else. Asking 5 different people will net you 5 different answers, all of which will contain hidden bits of information that may be useful to you or your specific situation.

In my opinion, this is the best and most useful advice here. Buy the cheapest body that will mount the lens series (for example, Canon EF mount L lenses) you intend to go with, and spend the rest on the lenses. Start first with something you have physically handled and used, buy the one you gravitate towards.

I am also in the market for a new camera body, but am sort of torn. I REALLY want a full frame sensor, and I hate (with a passion) the pop-up built in flash on my camera as well as most others. In short, I want a Canon 5D mk2 but I know I don't need one. I really want the video functionality due to some specific things in my life, otherwise I would find a used 5D and be done. So I am now leaning toward the 7D, but I spent about 8 hours shooting with one now and while it is truly a fantastic camera, the pop-up flash is really annoying. If I just stick to the more advanced modes it's not an issue, but sometimes if you don't have time to think, it's nice to use "auto" and let the camera figure it out. Every time, without fail, the pop-up flash makes things worse than if it had just stayed home. So, I am thinking I will pick up a new 7D nowish to use for the holidays and to have with me, and then find a used 5D down the road. Doing this, I will have the advanced focusing properties of the 7D as well as the better reach of the cropped sensor for long distance shots, PLUS the full-frame awesomeness of the 5D with another mounted body so I don't have to switch lenses. I will probably never stick the 70-200 on the 5D, and likewise the 17-40 on the 7D so I think this is a good solution, which incidentally costs exactly the same as picking up a single 5D mk2. Granted, if I had the cash - I would just buy the 5D mk2 and be done for the next 7 or so years. I bought my 20D new after handling MANY Canon and Nikon bodies and it has really served me well since 2004 or so. Honestly if it had a larger LCD, I would have no reason to upgrade.

At this point, in all truth - I do not need a better camera - I need more practice!!!

 

i totally agree, which is why i'm searching for an entry level camera. I do have an issue with buying used electronic's though which is why i'm looking to buy new.

 

I cant read that big paragraph sorry womb. my eyes are getting old

I have a 7D 70-200 f2.8 IS MK 2 & 17-55 f2.8 i dont need much else.

 

Yeah, I wish buying used would be a good idea, but after seeing what people do with their things... I agree. I have a friend who buys whatever is new, avialable and expensive and he said since the mk2 came out, his other 5D has just been sitting on a shelf. If I do not buy that particular camera, I will buy new.

Can't read? That must suck. Hope you work that out!

 

there's rumors that the D3/D700 sensor isn't Sony made, but there's rumors that it is. most of the sensors are Sony made though.

well said! and if you ask me what camera, i'll tell you to get a Nikon FM3a.

 

All refurbished units sold by Adorama Camera are factory refurbished by the manufacturer, for example, Canon cameras are refurbished at their manufacturing plant in Newport News, VA.; the room that houses Canon’s entire refurb process is said to be completely dust-free, and with every employee working in there being required to wear special booties!

They can have simply been pulled from the production line if something appears faulty, or if it hasn't passed the final inspection. Most of the time it is a very minor issue that needs correcting, nevertheless, once it is pulled from the normal flow of production, it gets flagged as a refurbished model, so you may get a unit straight from the factory that has never been used.

A refurb may also be an ex-store demo, possibly used in field tests or sales displays, or it may have been ordered in error and returned to the retailer (who can't then sell it as 'new' so it has to be sent back to the manufacturer for refurbishment).

All refurbished items will have been checked over by the manufacturer by hand, inspected very thoroughly, diagnosed, and calibrated by experienced technicians, and could therefore turn out to be more dependable than a new item - which will only have been checked by a process of systematic quality control protocol (ie by random sampling as it comes off the conveyor belt).

All Canon refurbished products from Adorama come with a 1 year return-to-Adorama warranty; the warranty we give covers anything the manufacturers warranty covers for a new unit, including shutter defects.
All other refurbs sold by Adorama come with a 90-day return-to-manufacturer warranty.

In addition, Refurbs come into us with the firmware updates and latest fixes which were carried out at whatever stage it was at when we took delivery.

If you need additional firmware updates you can download them, but for any hardware fixes the unit would have to be sent to Canon.
[By the way, if you send a camera (any camera) to Canon for any hardware work, they will always update the firmware].


As to the individual history of a single item, the honest answer is we have no way of knowing. Refurbished equipment is not like new inventory; the manufacturers contact us when they have a batch to sell, and the availability is unpredictable. However, if you were to ask my personal opinion on whether the equipment that Adorama offers as refurbished is typically less than a year old, based on the regularity with which we receive batches, I'd be inclined to think it is all relatively new.


I hope this helps, but you are welcome to email me directly if you need any more advice - or after-sales support: HelenO@adorama.com

 

There's also http://www.nikonites.com (friendly, helpful, don't make fun of noobs, give lots of advice and tips) and http://www.nikonians.org (paid/not as friendly).

 

HOLY CRAP HELEN IS ON HERE!!!!!
wow


She is awesome.


I club is now a legit photography forum

 

thanks for all the info on adorama! and welcome to the boards , i will definitely email you if i have more questions before i make my purchase.

 

soo this is what norcal has been up to. haha

 

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I actually wouldn't suggest getting the LOWEST end body, but definitely not the top end. Somewhere in the middle/low-middle is good. Lowest end bodies can have much crappier sensors and fewer functions giving you less control over your images. You need something that you can grow into, but isn't going to be way out of budget and isn't going to intimidate you.

Also, even though I know someone else already mentioned it, dpreview.com is a great site.

 

Doh, my dream set-up, although I wouldn't mind adding a Canon 10-22mm to the arsenal.

 

She is super helpful.


Buy a canon so I can sell you my lenses