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Old 10-23-2008 | 09:55 PM
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I hope that that is not all you look at to vote Mark lol

What people should look at is what the candidates stand for and how they want to lead the country. Who has similar morals, integrity, honor, and other admirable skills that you believe will make them a great leader?

Look at their economic policy, foreign policy, domestic policy, etc. and see who aligns with your beliefs.

How do you think that Obama would have done if 9/11 happend a year into his term? Think about that after you spend some time looking into his foreign policy.
Old 10-23-2008 | 09:56 PM
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Bush was not that great of a president, but you can't blame all of the countries problems on him. Don't forget that we have checks and balances for a reason. Congress voted on a lot of those things, too.
Bush/Republicans were only 1 part those checks and balances for the past few years. Democrats have had the House and Senate.
Old 10-23-2008 | 09:58 PM
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Stop talking about politics, seriously
Old 10-23-2008 | 09:58 PM
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Stop talking about politics, seriously
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Old 10-23-2008 | 10:00 PM
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I didnt say I was looking that far into it. wow. I just said it is about rights.
Steven, are you allowed to marry the one you want to marry? If you proposed to Jen tomorrow and she said yes and you wanted to get married do you think anybody would turn you down? No, of course not. So why is it such a big deal for anyone else. Becuase their lifestyles aren't the same as ours? Big freakin deal. My lifestyles aren't the same as some devoutly religious catholic or a mother of 5. No one is the same.
I would love to hear your response.



I agree totally. Politics is over run by rich white men who wouldn't know how anyone else lives in this country. They can't relate to real people. And the way I see it, McCain is just another Bush.
If tomorrow I wanted to marry Jen, Jen's sister, you, and Sabrina why would you dare impose on my right to chose whom I'd like to marry?

The argument is emotional and not logical. And logic will always trump emotion. Look at it logically.

If your argument is to allow people to do what they want to then that opens the door to people doing what they want to, regaurdless of right or wrong.

If people want the right to rape women or murder others we aren't going to give it to them. The people of the United States vote on the rights they believe we should have. Not all rights are created equally.

The liberals are rich white people too. Difference is that they make people victims and offer them handouts.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:01 PM
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Stop talking about politics, seriously
Just ignore the posts we are having intelecutal talk and bonding. Come get some sexay man.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
If tomorrow I wanted to marry Jen, Jen's sister, you, and Sabrina why would you dare impose on my right to chose whom I'd like to marry?

The argument is emotional and not logical. And logic will always trump emotion. Look at it logically.

If your argument is to allow people to do what they want to then that opens the door to people doing what they want to, regaurdless of right or wrong.

If people want the right to rape women or murder others we aren't going to give it to them. The people of the United States vote on the rights they believe we should have. Not all rights are created equally.

The liberals are rich white people too. Difference is that they make people victims and offer them handouts.
no necesarrily. does the right for two ladies or two men to marry hurt anyone? I dont see how it hurts anyone... the right to rape someone imposes on someone elses rights, therefore its not logical. And ethos, pathos, and logos are always a part of life, doesn't mean anything.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:10 PM
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And why can't we talk about politics? You guys talk about the politics of different police departments, guns, skating, all that... and I don't believe anyone has a problem with it.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SubieBabe
no necesarrily. does the right for two ladies or two men to marry hurt anyone? I dont see how it hurts anyone... the right to rape someone imposes on someone elses rights, therefore its not logical. And ethos, pathos, and logos are always a part of life, doesn't mean anything.
It leads to the decline of society and supports immoral actions that our kids will be taught is right which impose on my rights to have my children recieve moral and ethical education with my tax money. So you're right, it's not logical.

I know you don't believe that gay marriage is morally right, I know you don't believe that multiple spouse marriage is right morally either. But it's your right to vote how you'd like, which is the beauty of our republic.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:19 PM
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Old 10-23-2008 | 10:33 PM
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The same thing was said about blacks how long ago? Back then my father was only 3/4ths of a person becuase of the color of his skin, according to the constitution.
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I didnt say I was looking that far into it. wow. I just said it is about rights.
The rights of someone being considered a human being and the rights of saying what the institute of marrige is are two completely seperate issues. They aren't even in the same ballpark. I don't even think it is the same game. I honestly do not want my son to go through what the children in Mass. went through. Then again, I do not think God should be emitted from the Pledge of Allegiance nor prayer taken out of school.
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:35 PM
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Oh, and it was 3/5ths
Old 10-23-2008 | 10:44 PM
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i need 10 beers.

and we never talk politics about cars.

i never cared a **** about how much subaru earned last month or who they planned on merging with.

same goes for guns, skating, all the other bull spit.

politics and religion is something everyone just starts fighting over. its ****ing stupid.


you may like evo's, i may hate evos. in the end we will both say ORLY or some other stupid internet thing.

With the presidential debate / props we will be debating this stupid bull **** for the next 10 years.
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in other news, have you guys seen the trailer for nailin pailen !!! ITS AWESOME!!!
Old 10-24-2008 | 02:01 AM
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Saw V was crap. Don't waste your time or money. An 80 minute joke.


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