boloheadrat

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Hey guys, is the sweeper at HRP a double apex turn, or am I just making a fool out of myself?
http://www.forumshawaii.net/phpBB2/v...r=asc&start=60

push2

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I couldnt tell you, but I wouldnt even bother with most of those guys, you gave them your name and even invited them to talk but they're still posting wise type comments.

oldmansan

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at the drivers meeting, there was only one apex and it was marked. I can see it both ways.

San

18hrwrx

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No, it's just a single apex.

boloheadrat

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whoops.

poser

as said earlier: single apex...and the sweeper is a constant radius turn, meaning you shouldnt have to be moving the steering wheel too much while going through it...

the sweeper is the single most important turn on that track because your exit speed will determine how fast you can go on the straight...BUT that is the most spooky area also...the ground is uneven and there's loose gravel and rubber in that area, not to mention the guardrails with no runoff room whatsoever...

i've almost lost it there on my first track day, and that scared the $hit out of me ever since...i always take it a little more carefully and slower through that turn...

a couple of cars has lost it thru that area, not to mention a S2000 FLIPPED in the sweeper at this years BMW driving school...

boloheadrat

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I have to start paying more attention I guess. In my mind though, I would touch the inside of the track right before the staging area and once again well inside the rubber room. Maybe I just have a super funky line, or maybe all the beer I drink is finally killing brain cells.

boloheadrat

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This is what I was thinking. The black line represents my driving line, the red arrows are what I perceived as the apex's for the sweeper.

gpatmac

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It's been a while for me, but I seem to remember that what you're calling the sweeper didn't really affect the line I took. After I entered the tirehouse, it didn't seem too critical to hit that as an apex because as long as I left my steering wheel turned to the right degree, I pretty much had a straight shot to the front straight.

Shin RS

Poser's right, the sweeper is spooky... You're lucky you have AWD, I used to, and it made the sweeper so easy you could do it in your sleep... It's a single apex turn which if you hit it right will give you a major advantage in speed on the straight, especally if your car is on equal power to the car youre trying to pass.

I had a couple "moments" in the sweeper at the last track day, and agree fully with poser... It's scary....

poser

sorry dude, but technically, it's the wrong line...where you have drawn your first arrow, you need to be more towards the outside of the turn (more towards the grass/wall) then cut in and hit the SINGLE apex...this line is rather spooky, due to the crappy track conditions in that area...

of course, when it comes down to it, all this is really moot, as it's NOT a race...it's to just have fun with your car...do what feels comfortable to YOU...if you wanna keep taking that line, and feels safer doing so, go ahead...so what if the punk in the miata comes blowing past your 600hp ride...it's okay to be "beat" by a supposedly slower car...

if you wanna give it 10/10ths, then fine...this is the place to do it, but as for me, i'd rather give it 8/10ths, be passed by other drivers (hardly happens anyway ), and go home with my car intact...

gpatmac

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Jason,

What are you driving now? Somebody said you were thinking Z06 like poser is, but I didn't know if they were referring to another Jason.

Shin RS

Actually, I was looking for a STi, but reality and bills conspired to kick my *** and I figured that for now a cheaper alternative would be more practical...

So I bought a miata, it's fun as hell, rwd, light weight, and unfortunately has a nasty reputation as a hair dressers car, among other things...

poser

BUWAHAHAHAHAHA...do you call leila "reality and bills"???


and pat...my name is also jayson...like shin's, and rexstang's, and drvortex's...

gpatmac

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Ahhhhh.

You're the one. I've seen you at the AutoX, but in my mind you were known as 'the lucky guy with the M3'.