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Old 06-22-2010, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ds baruuuuu
here Reid http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1942615
accoding to Ed they end up with a timing curve much more similar to an STI rather than a 2.0l WRX.
That's interesting. I've messed with several hybrids and had issues on the logger. The person didn't notice though. The car was really sensitive to heatsoak.


Custom piston sounds cheaper though...
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I have, more than once. The only flaw with that theory is that carbon deposits are not likely to hold heat unlike sharp edges and scoring in the combustion chamber. One of the original problems with the hybrid was people thought they could get away with the bore difference by just running thick head gaskets. Not only did they find out these have a higher tendency to fail but also that the lip of the combustion chamber had a tendency to cause hot spots leading to detonation. This drastically decreased the possible output by limiting the tuning. When dealing with internal combustion motors surface finish is very important. In some race applications you even see people polish the combustion chamber or even ceramic coat it. This is all done to limit the ability of the surface to hold heat.
when i dremel the heads, i start with a carbide bit, then sanding barrel, then fine sanding, then light polish. It is actually smoother than the casting marks left in the rest of the head's combustion chamber. I questioned it myself, but 3 different tuners have told me that they didnt see any type of knock issue while adding timing.


sorry lorenzo. this has gone way off topic. haha
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I am doing the EQ CNC on my next Heads and we will see the difference.
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Originally Posted by spinplay01
when i dremel the heads, i start with a carbide bit, then sanding barrel, then fine sanding, then light polish. It is actually smoother than the casting marks left in the rest of the head's combustion chamber. I questioned it myself, but 3 different tuners have told me that they didnt see any type of knock issue while adding timing.


sorry lorenzo. this has gone way off topic. haha

Maybe JE has a custom piston for this combo, and you can try that for your next build, or you could work with them to design one.
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^^^ I have P/N 280089 JE pistons. They were Made for Hybird Swaps.
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Originally Posted by spinplay01
when i dremel the heads, i start with a carbide bit, then sanding barrel, then fine sanding, then light polish. It is actually smoother than the casting marks left in the rest of the head's combustion chamber. I questioned it myself, but 3 different tuners have told me that they didnt see any type of knock issue while adding timing.


sorry lorenzo. this has gone way off topic. haha
Don't worry bro....It's just more knowledge for me.
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too bad you arent going to just do the CNC. then it would be a real moment of truth.

i guess it depends on ho much material is removed. if they lower the compression more then you can add a little boost and timing. netting more top power...but slower spool and weaker out of boost power.

damn compression ratios
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^^^ I have P/N 280089 JE pistons. They were Made for Hybird Swaps.

that is actually designed for 8.2:1 with sti heads.

just also happens to be 8.5:1 with 2.0 heads....same part
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Originally Posted by spinplay01
when i dremel the heads, i start with a carbide bit, then sanding barrel, then fine sanding, then light polish. It is actually smoother than the casting marks left in the rest of the head's combustion chamber. I questioned it myself, but 3 different tuners have told me that they didnt see any type of knock issue while adding timing.
Werd. Anyway I would still measure the volume of the chambers if not just to calculate the final compression ratio to feed my own curiosity. As for turbo: TD-06 20g-xt 8cm and a Grimmspeed waste gate lock hot side coated by Swaintech.
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I am just going to do the CNC. No Valve job.
I don't think I need it. Plus I amd going to have a pair of Heads on the size switch I might do a Valve job to them later down the line.
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areyou talking about the Grimmspeed Bracket?
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Originally Posted by Jrocko
I am just going to do the CNC. No Valve job.
I don't think I need it. Plus I amd going to have a pair of Heads on the size switch I might do a Valve job to them later down the line.

the only true way to test would be to keep every other variable static.
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^^^ I would if everyone wants to pitch in 1 hundred dollars for my tune dyno time. And then I'll dyno my car a couple days later.

I can make this happen!
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Originally Posted by RallyGC
I have, more than once. The only flaw with that theory is that carbon deposits are not likely to hold heat unlike sharp edges and scoring in the combustion chamber. In some race applications you even see people polish the combustion chamber or even ceramic coat it. This is all done to limit the ability of the surface to hold heat.

Exactly.
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