Wow nice tac drivers.
Did you guys hear about a rifle competion where all shooters qualifiy to purchase an M1 Garand for $500 just by sending in your targets that you shot during competition. They hold it at least once a year at KOKO head.

 

Hey you know there was something just like that when i lived on the mainland.. i might be very interested in something like that...

 

Nice weapons man. I can honestly say I've never fired an AR-15 with any optic more serious than an ACOG and I still feel it's a great weapon. Combat shooting is a lot different than bench shooting so "center mass" is the key term. That said however, I have fired a Knights Armament SR-25 with a Leupold Mark 4 scope and it was rediculous. Hands down the end-all of assault rifles.

M-4 frame firing 7.62 round=romance explosion

 

I'm not sure how you can question my shooting skills (or the cost of my rifle) when the term "accuracy" as used here has not been defined. I'm also not sure that I can consider center of mass at 300 meters as "surgical" as that is approaching 3 MOA.

The point I was trying to make is that the AR was not designed for accuracy and the round is very sensitive to the wind at distances greater than 300m. CAN it be accurate? Of course it can. As you mentioned, however, a poorly assembled rifle, or one using substandard parts will probably never be accurate. If 808subaru is going to really get into shooting, I'd rather see him do it with a rifle that he knows is more accurate than he is. That way, if he is not hitting the mark, he knows that it's his shooting style or environmental conditions or ammo that is affecting the accuracy, not his rifle.

Also, many who get into ARs do it because of the "look" (I admit, I am guilty of that). A highly accurate AR is going to look like BugeyeMilo's piece below, where most would go for the CQB look. Do you think that you would still hit center of mass all day long at 300m with open sights with an off the shelf Colt-variant with 16" barrel? With the cheapest ammo that you can buy? Because that is what someone following your advice will end up with, as you make it sound like a no-brainer, no research involved.

I don't want to argue with you, I just take exception to you dissing me when you don't know what I know and what I don't. On top of that, you dismissing my accuracy comment makes it seem that someone can grab any name-brand AR and it will be more than accurate for their use. I'd rather a potential buyer be cautious, figure out what they want to do with the rifle now and in the future, do the research and decide if the AR is going to be what they want. As I mentioned, firearms are not simple to sell so I'd hate for someone to feel like they are stuck with a rifle that they are unhappy with.

 

I hope you didn't get the impression that I was trying to be condisending as I was not. I've met a ton of people that can't shoot a lick but I don't fault them for it. It's a skill that's picked up over time. To be more to the point I meant technique is more important than the weapon. And I won't bust on anyone for cheap stuff. It costs money, I know this and we all work with what we have.


Exactly, AR-15s were not meant to be extremely accurate so why expect amazing tack driving ability from them. They were designed to give soldiers the abilility to close with and destroy the enemy in a variety of circumstances. If you want great accuracy (and probably save a few bucks) go to Dick's Sporting Goods and buy a Remington 700 .308 with a decent scope and you'll outshoot an M-4 every day of the week.


To be honest, yes I do. The Army buys its weapons from the lowest bidder and the same with the ammo. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the off-the-shelf ARs are better that what the average grunt shoots in combat. I'm not totally sure of this but I'd put money on it. The BRM test requires a soldier to shoot 300m targets with open sights from both the prone and unsupported position (and now even the kneeling position). It can be done with any amount of decent technical training. If you know the basics of sight picture alignment, breathing control and trigger squeeze and use it you will be able to engage 300m targets with open sights no question at all.

I'm not trying to start an arguement at all. Just a little tough love from my prospective is all. I grew up shooting from the time I was practically able to walk and have had professional training since then on a plethora of weapons. To be honest, I'd never buy an AR unless I was in the military and wanted to recreationally shoot what I did in uniform. I'd rather have a bolt action long gun that can challenge me out past simple ballistics and windage. The most proud I've ever been firing a rifle was with my dad's 7mm on a farm in Maryland. Hit a running fox that had disappeared into a gulley, I guessed where'd he come out if he kept running, adjusted my lead and as soon as I saw him I squeezed it off. Hit it dead in the neck from over 500 meters.

At the end of the day the M-4 was not designed to be an unbelieveably accurate weapon. It was made to help a soldier engage mostly reflexive targets in a fire fight within 300m. It does that superbly. Unless you plan on being a firefight, I wouldn't spend my money on one personally.

 

GA Precision (http://www.gaprecision.net/), M40A3 replica, tack driver with handloads (and when I do my part) .

For work up close, I would second the recommendation on the AK74. 5.45x39 ammo is pretty cheap [Wolf Ammo] at Windward Gun Shop (WGS - Hawaii Kai). High cap mags for the 74 are cheap, reliable, and legal in Hawaii (at least for now).

 

**redneck accent** Yeehaw, Heck ya I shoot rifles....I practice all the time shooting cans......mexiCAN's.....purto riCAN's.....afriCAN's




I'm kidding....

 

AK47 vs M16

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

 

Mr. Chris,

My friends over here took me shooting and then I was hooked. Got this today as my first ever gun. I figured you can't go wrong with a reliable assault rifle that fires cheaper ammo then AR's shoot stock.

Plus, according to the above video...mine shoots harder?

Anyways, to be a total dork I decided to play Dr Dre and Ice Cube on the way home...lol...sigh.

 

My favorites are AR-15's

 

i wanted to pick up this hobby after being deployed to the OEF. i only got to shoot the standard guns which are the M9,M16,M-4. after being deployed i must say i miss the UNLIMITED AMMO and the daily visit to the range...and of course cleaning it also...lol

nev

 

I'm de-flowering it tomorrow...gonna put about 200 rounds through it.

Then there's a gun show the next day so we are gonna drive up and maybe grab a stock, handguard and foregrip.

I don't like the wood.

 

Blake so jealous. I personally would not have gotten wood buttstock, but hey. As long as it fires true. I haven't been to the range since summer.

 

I'm actually gonna buy some mods for it tomorrow at the gunshow. There are a crapload of gunshows in Ohio because people like guns out here.

So I am gonna grab a 6-position black buttstock, Quad-rail handguard, fore grip, new main grip and different muzzle device.

I don't like wood either...that's why this gun is going all black. Maybe this winter I will flat black it out for a stealth look.

www.aimsurplus.com is like 10-15 minutes from me as well and they are well known as a good place to get surplus stuffies.

 

Went through 200 rounds today pretty good no problems whatsoever.

I can't hit anything though but damnit if the zombies come I can shoot suppresing fire while my friends that can actually hit stuff pick them off.