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How much hp/torque does EJ25T make WITHOUT the turbo?

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Old 04-05-2004 | 11:44 AM
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How much hp/torque does EJ25T make WITHOUT the turbo?

Does anyone know how much hp/torque an EJ25T would make without a turbo installed? I'm just curious.
Old 04-05-2004 | 03:23 PM
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You would be looking at the Impreza RS then
Old 04-05-2004 | 03:33 PM
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You would be looking at the Impreza RS then
Not even that much, because the compression is so much lower. If you dropped an EJ257 block into an RS with no other changes, you'd have about 120 hp.
Old 04-05-2004 | 03:48 PM
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Deffinately not an Impreza RS. The RS has an N/A engine, not an STi engine.
Old 04-05-2004 | 03:50 PM
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Like I said, probably somewhere around 120 hp. The compression is so low that it would make less power than an RS, ECU problems aside.
Old 09-02-2004 | 08:39 AM
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Now that i've explained what you actually see on a boost gauge, to simulate non-turbo power, accelerate and watch the boost gauge, adjust throttle so the boost doesn't go above atmospheric. Throttle position doesn't matter here, the turbo compensates for the partial throttle, and vice versa. You will find that the STi is VERY weak in vacuum situations and it will not take very much throttle to keep the engine just below atmospheric pressure.
I don't think this is an accurate indication of non-turbo power. There are too many other factors which will affect this.

I agree w/ BAN, same displacement as the RS but a lower compression so you'll see less power than an RS.

BTW anyone with some scrap pipe and a welder can have some fun and make a pipe that connects the up-pipe to downpipe directly (w/ turbo removed) and the turbo inlet pipe straight to the throttle body (TMIC removed) and let us know
Old 09-02-2004 | 12:20 PM
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You're forgetting compression ratio, which is hugely important to any engine.
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Originally Posted by SFLASTIGUY
Actually, it is a very good indication, since the engine itself doesn't care about the throttle position, just how much air is available to it, and if the pressure is the same at 1/4 throttle with slight boost (but still a vacuum) as a non-turbo at full throttle, then the power will be the same. Physics is physics, and power from an engine comes from only a few factors, air, fuel, ratio of mixture, timing on spark, and RPM.

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You're just looking at manifold pressure and RPM trying to compare the two (NA vs Turbo). The load on both examples will be different as well as throttle position, fuel and timing maps etc.. I don't know about the STi but for a WRX I think the ECU still runs closed loop fueling up to about 60% throttle before switching to open loop. Timing maps would also be affected. Your example also does not factor in the intake restriction of the turbo and IC and the exhaust restriction of the turbo. Like you said, "physics is physics"

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Old 09-02-2004 | 04:22 PM
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BTW anyone with some scrap pipe and a welder can have some fun and make a pipe that connects the up-pipe to downpipe directly (w/ turbo removed) and the turbo inlet pipe straight to the throttle body (TMIC removed) and let us know
Wouldn't this just make the car act really wierd because the ECU mapping would be totally wrong?
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Wouldn't this just make the car act really wierd because the ECU mapping would be totally wrong?
I dunno. I think the mapping would be okay because after a certain point it looks at manifold pressure so if it doesn't see boost then it'll run the appropriate fuel & timing. OTOH it might not and/or think that something is wrong and go into "limp home" mode.
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