meilers

They aren't "problems," just symptoms of parts of the car that are being asked to do more than the factory tolerances. Most of the driveline stuff is probably due to Arizona heat cooking the bushings, but I've felt similar symptoms in similar WRX builds. I've got 46k on the factory clutch and my previous car made it 110k on the factory clutch; the slipping in 1st and 2nd only happens over 3800 RPM. You've already added bigger wheels, stickier tires and upgraded springs (I don't consider the SPT springs that soft -- they arent' Teins, for example) so you make an excellent case for the need for supporting mods. I'd love to see what a 280-to-the-wheels WRX would do to the factory RE-90s...

Here's an analogy for you: it is common wisdom in the recording and music performance industry that when you need to amplify a signal, you get twice the power you need and then turn it up halfway. The closer you get to 100% amplification, the more noise, distortion and pops you will get. Similarly, bolting on a small turbo and then turning it up to 90% or greater of its peak (and doing the same to the fuel system, intake, valves, rods, transmission) is going to be a harsher and nastier result than going with a properly-sized turbo and a mild tune and a host of supporting mods. Like I said, there's more than one right answer, but there's also a path that will give you a totally comfortable, easy-to-drive car that is mild and tame on the street and still a killer on the track.

Chrisnonstop

If you're not already too attached to this car you just got,...sell it. Go out and buy a nice used STI. Why bust your ***** trying to get this WRX to double what the engine was born to do. You'd be so much happier just selling it for a decent price (totally stock,...hasn't been abused) and getting a nice (Stock) used STI. Then just get a turbo back exhaust and a dyno tune.

ride5000

you could EASLY get 250whp if you are on all but the most ridiculously low-reading dynos, AND the tuner isn't an idiot.

wrong. stock clutch cars have trapped >115mph. do you have any idea how much torque that requires?

and what of your proposed "fixes" would solve that?

don't make me laugh and say "fuel rails."

so your answer to this is to suggest a forced performance "red" turbocharger?

you are really quite funny, meilers.

1) you need a new clutch.
2) the pitch stopper is a joke. if you REALLY want to limit engine/tranny movement, take the plunge and install engine and tranny mounts.

MO REX

iTrader: (2)

There ya go. Use a dyno other than a mustang and you’ll go from 245-281 (250+.15) at the wheels. j/k

meilers,

When I buy home audio and guitar amplifiers I do exactly what you’re saying but I am able to turn my Marantz tuner up 100% with no distortion. Not sure how long it will last that way but it does sound crystal clear.

Just having some fun.

i did your mom

Are you serious bro?

You mean to tell us that if you have a vf22 that makes 250whp on a FORGIVING DYNO(are you joking????), it will break motor mounts by bucking and twisting, ur clutch will die immediately, and your #3 cylinder will get hot and you will heatsoak your intercooler and THEN be as fast as a civic.

You sir are on a very large ammount of crack and/or acid.

Please try to give us GOOD info. Not some fabricated nonsense you just thought of.

Thanks
-Kevin

ride5000

welcome to meiler's world...

i did your mom

hahaha

Seems to me like Meilers needs to stop reading his little kiddie horror stories of WRX's and "problems" that they have.

Meilers, ANY engine is going to move in the engine bay when u rev it....well maybe not a civic cuz they have like 3hp....but you get the idea. Your driveline WILL move when u LAUNCH your car. But the real question is, do you launch your car everytime you start from a dead stop? didn't think so.

Like I stated earlier, stop feeding us nonsense. Half the crap u stated was WAY out there, and definitely pretty dumb.

Probably nothing, cuz we have awd. In the rain....maybe break them loose if the actual belts are shining through and are pretty much maypops.

also, Sweet analogy.
HA!!

meilers

Actually, I said nothing at all of the kind. Certainly no one mentioned broken motor mounts, and definitely not Civics. The mention of Civics and Civic-bashing really degrades my confidence in your post; that's kid stuff. Take it to NASOIC or some Mustang forum.

I'm not certain how to break this to you, but plenty of people have destroyed their clutch, broken their motor mounts and torn bushings with a bone-stock, unmodified WRX. Do a few searches for "broken motor mounts" and you'll see this was a problem for many models and years of WRX and STI, even the 2006 STI. Similarly, there are many, many horror stories of toasted clutches, shattered syncros and wrecked transmissions -- again, with stock power.

The idea that the WRX or STI are some magical cars that are utterly bulletproof and can easily handle nearly double the stock power without endagering the engine or radically changing the way the car handles and delivers power is just some crazy pipe dream. If you want to smoke that pipe, by all means puff away. I'm suggesting -- and I don't see how this is evidence that I smoke the crack rock -- that someone who is shooting for the goal of 285 wheelpower might want to do some supporting mods and pick the right size turbo. Giving someone advice to help them protect their $22,000 investment doesn't seem like an irrational act, but yeah, I gather I'm not speaking with rational people here.

If either you or your close personal friend "ride5000" had bother to actually read the thread from beginning to end -- I know, it is a radical concept, but stay with me here, keep those two brain cells rubbing together -- you'd see that the issue here is not if you can make 285 with a VF34 or VF22; you probably could, with an extremely aggressive tune, some 93 and crossed fingers; but whether you would WANT to, and how it would affect the car. A 2.0 liter turbocharged engine that is producing almost 100hp per cylinder and 1800-degree EGTs that is still reliable and streetable is not a long-term-sustainable proposition. Even Porsche bumps their boxers to 3.6 liters before going that high, and they use GIANT turbos running surprisingly low levels of boost.

As I said numerous times in my posts in this thread, there is more than one approach to solving the problem of 250-285 WHP from the EJ20. If you want to choose a path which shortens the engine life and makes a car difficult to control, that's certainly a choice. If you want to make the car last 10 years or 85,000 miles after those mods are installed, you've got another path to follow. I don't see a problem with having more than one approach, but hey -- I'm a little different, I can have more than one thought in my head at a time.

ride5000

you backpedal so well you should ride bikes in a circus.

i have never met mo rex, or i did your mom, nor do i know them. however, they apparently are starting to see through your smoke and mirror show. only a complete moron would suggest an FPred to reach a goal of 280whp.

Bolster

Well, as for reliable power: My car ran 250 at the wheels on 93 pump at 17 psi with a VF30 and APS TMIC for over 50,000 miles. I then went to a VF22 and made 282 at the wheels on 17.5 psi. This was on a Mustang Dyno where a stock STI made 250-255 at the wheels and a WRX usually did 195 stock.

I went back to stock before moving to go overseas 2 years ago, and now that I am back I will be running another VF22 with an FMIC and my car still has the clutch that came in it from the factory at 90,000 miles (although I'm going to finally change it in a few weeks here).

I was really careful when the car was tuned to be as conservative as possible, hence not running very much boost and being conservative with the timing too. Remember, there is nothing that says a 2.0 liter making 300+ at the crank is overly stressed just because it left the factory making 227.

i did your mom

Let me quote you from one of your ealier posts there chief wigwam.

You did mention civics, so why don't YOU go back and re-read your own post, i know, its a radical concept.....sound familiar? you would know that you did talk about civics.
Own3d

ANYONE can break their clutch, tranny/motor mounts, and tear bushings on ANY CAR!!!!!!! Ya it CAN be a problem for a few models and years of WRX/STi, but do u even take into consideration what style of driving those people use? exactly.
Own3d again

What you need to do meilers, is instead of telling me to go to Nasioc, you should take a nice trip overthere to edumackate yourself in some NEW subaru knowledge. Seems like you are feeding us all with a bunch of garbage that little 16 year olds talk about. Go ahead and get your FP Greed or Red, whatever one you prefer, to get your 285 whp "reliably." Just let me know how the lag tastes

Tootles!!!!

subie OCD

iTrader: (11)

285whp on a 2.0L would only be difficult on 91 gas and the Gruppe-S Mustang Dyno. Some one in the SOCAL forum with APS TMIC, TBE, catless up, injectors, fp and protune did 260/260 IIRC on the GS dyno.

285 whp on a 2.0L with 93 octane or better and almost any other dyno is common place with a vf22.

(and supporting mods)

And of course running 50, 75 or 100whp more than stock will cause additional wear and tear (duh!)

meilers

Yeah, you got me there, I did mention Civics. Teach me to post late at night when I'm tired. However, I didn't mention Civics to bash on them -- heck, I drove one for three years, and I miss the gas mileage! -- just to note that it is a fact the WRX motor can make as little as 50hp off boost, while the Civic will make 60 or so in that RPM range.

You know, this isn't the stinging rebuke you were going for, coming from someone who thinks "your mom" jokes are witty. If I ever manage to find a forum where 16-year-olds discuss protecting their $20,000+ purchase by not running it at 99% of its tolerance and by adding supporting mods besides just engine mods, I'll subscribe right away. I thought 16-year-olds were much more concerned with adding to their Myspace page, checking out Jackass clips on YouTube and trying to catch their older sister coming out of the shower with their cell phone cam.

Oh, and laughing at "your mom" jokes.

i did your mom

too bad I never made any jokes pertaining to your mom. I am sure she is a very wonderful lady and I will leave it at that. You are just way to cool for us meilers. Please continue to grace us with you exceptional knowledge and wit dealing with WRX's and their powerplant. Obviously you know more than me, and I would just LOVE for you to keep giving us that wonderful info that we are used to.

Hope to read TONS AND TONS AND TONS of posts from you soon!
Thank you sooooo much!