360whp, 368wtq on a vf30.. I don't think so
07-28-2004, 10:25 AM
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360whp, 368wtq on a vf30.. I don't think so
So quick question.. is this possible?:
This kid is talking so much smack about his car down at the dyno meet the other day. He then said he didn't have the dough to dyno. He states that his car is making 368WHP and 360WTQ. He states his car has:
108 Octane (368WHP, 360WTQ) and 93 Pump (330HP, 320
Vf30 @ 21.5PSI (Here is where I'm callin bs again, saying its "polished")
Utec with what he calls his (done by a ferrari mechanic map, timing at 29)
Fuel Rails
Sti Injectors/Pump
Hks Dowpipe/Uppipe/HKS Carbon TI Cat Back
Invidia Headers
STOCK TMIC
Water injection
Step colder plugs
Larger throttle body.. not ported.. New
Intercooler hoses
Underdrive Pullies (No Air Conditioning)
STI Intake Manifold
Injen Intake
Greddy Oil Catch Can
Exedy flywheel and clutch
I just don't see this much power out of a vf30.. NOR do I see a vf30 being that efficient at that PSI. I have a vf22 setup putting down 322.7whp, 304.8wtq.. on a rough tune.. dyno'd on a dynapack with a vf22 on 93 octane.
Maybe I'm just jealous or whatever.. but I don't see this happening without something up his sleeve.
Any other people think this is BS?
This kid is talking so much smack about his car down at the dyno meet the other day. He then said he didn't have the dough to dyno. He states that his car is making 368WHP and 360WTQ. He states his car has:
108 Octane (368WHP, 360WTQ) and 93 Pump (330HP, 320
Vf30 @ 21.5PSI (Here is where I'm callin bs again, saying its "polished")
Utec with what he calls his (done by a ferrari mechanic map, timing at 29)
Fuel Rails
Sti Injectors/Pump
Hks Dowpipe/Uppipe/HKS Carbon TI Cat Back
Invidia Headers
STOCK TMIC
Water injection
Step colder plugs
Larger throttle body.. not ported.. New
Intercooler hoses
Underdrive Pullies (No Air Conditioning)
STI Intake Manifold
Injen Intake
Greddy Oil Catch Can
Exedy flywheel and clutch
I just don't see this much power out of a vf30.. NOR do I see a vf30 being that efficient at that PSI. I have a vf22 setup putting down 322.7whp, 304.8wtq.. on a rough tune.. dyno'd on a dynapack with a vf22 on 93 octane.
Maybe I'm just jealous or whatever.. but I don't see this happening without something up his sleeve.
Any other people think this is BS?
07-28-2004, 11:55 AM
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Dyno numbers mean nothing in relative terms. A baseline run with a later run in similar conditions should give you an idea of how much hp you have gained. Running two cars back to back on a dyno may give a good indication of who has more hp, but hp doesn't nessessarily = fast. A really laggy car with more hp may be slower than a car with more torque down low and less hp. The only way to solve your argument is to go to the drag strip and go for pink slips.
07-28-2004, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WRXWagon203
So quick question.. is this possible?:
This kid is talking so much smack about his car down at the dyno meet the other day. He then said he didn't have the dough to dyno. He states that his car is making 368WHP and 360WTQ. He states his car has:
108 Octane (368WHP, 360WTQ) and 93 Pump (330HP, 320
Vf30 @ 21.5PSI (Here is where I'm callin bs again, saying its "polished")
Utec with what he calls his (done by a ferrari mechanic map, timing at 29)
Fuel Rails
Sti Injectors/Pump
Hks Dowpipe/Uppipe/HKS Carbon TI Cat Back
Invidia Headers
STOCK TMIC
Water injection
Step colder plugs
Larger throttle body.. not ported.. New
Intercooler hoses
Underdrive Pullies (No Air Conditioning)
STI Intake Manifold
Injen Intake
Greddy Oil Catch Can
Exedy flywheel and clutch
I just don't see this much power out of a vf30.. NOR do I see a vf30 being that efficient at that PSI. I have a vf22 setup putting down 322.7whp, 304.8wtq.. on a rough tune.. dyno'd on a dynapack with a vf22 on 93 octane.
Maybe I'm just jealous or whatever.. but I don't see this happening without something up his sleeve.
Any other people think this is BS?
This kid is talking so much smack about his car down at the dyno meet the other day. He then said he didn't have the dough to dyno. He states that his car is making 368WHP and 360WTQ. He states his car has:
108 Octane (368WHP, 360WTQ) and 93 Pump (330HP, 320
Vf30 @ 21.5PSI (Here is where I'm callin bs again, saying its "polished")
Utec with what he calls his (done by a ferrari mechanic map, timing at 29)
Fuel Rails
Sti Injectors/Pump
Hks Dowpipe/Uppipe/HKS Carbon TI Cat Back
Invidia Headers
STOCK TMIC
Water injection
Step colder plugs
Larger throttle body.. not ported.. New
Intercooler hoses
Underdrive Pullies (No Air Conditioning)
STI Intake Manifold
Injen Intake
Greddy Oil Catch Can
Exedy flywheel and clutch
I just don't see this much power out of a vf30.. NOR do I see a vf30 being that efficient at that PSI. I have a vf22 setup putting down 322.7whp, 304.8wtq.. on a rough tune.. dyno'd on a dynapack with a vf22 on 93 octane.
Maybe I'm just jealous or whatever.. but I don't see this happening without something up his sleeve.
Any other people think this is BS?
Well, I have a similar setup and I layed down a healthy 300 on 93 Oct and a tuned map. The only real difference is that I'm only running 18.5 pounds of boost and I have the TXS TMIC. I really don't see a stock intercooler being able to efficiently support 21.5psi but maybe I'm wrong.
In reference to the VF30, I can say that when compared to a VF22 it might be lower on top end but it will spool a little faster ( about 3300 rpm w/uppipe).
Remember, the TurboXS Stg4 with TMIC can put down a documented 285whp with a generic map. If aggresively tuned, I could see this setup supporting about 30-50whp more. Taking into consideration his fuel octane and "Ferarri tuning", it is quite possible that his claims could be legit.
My 2 cents,
SZ
07-28-2004, 02:29 PM
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IHI claims 375 hp on the vf30, if it has had some work done to it(ported,and polished with compresser work) i could see it pumping out a little more. The stock intercooler is what throws me( are you sure its stock. I know that the hyperflow looks stock but is a lot thicker. I don't really know that well, but i would say he does have the other supporting mods to push 360 whp. It would probably be close to you anyway. I would also say that if he is right, he is right at the max for tuning and i would also say that his car won't last long. Just stay conservitive and safe. 322 whp is nothing to sneeze at. Great numbers man. Just remember to be happy with what you have, and until he puts it on the dyno he full of it.
07-28-2004, 04:10 PM
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Just assume what that guy is spitting out is nonsense. If he doesn't have the 'dough' to back it up, I say he doesnt have enough ***** to lay it on the dyno. IF he was pushing those numbers, good for him cause he has a really well put together setup. But 9 times out of 10 he is just poppin off his mouth. IMO
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07-28-2004, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WRX Rush
Just assume what that guy is spitting out is nonsense. If he doesn't have the 'dough' to back it up, I say he doesnt have enough ***** to lay it on the dyno. IF he was pushing those numbers, good for him cause he has a really well put together setup. But 9 times out of 10 he is just poppin off his mouth. IMO
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Yeah, WRX Rush is probably right. Besides, if you can afford that setup (5k-6k), you should be able to get at least an aftermarket TMIC. But his claims are very real if done right.
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07-28-2004, 07:08 PM
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I could see it as possible with 108 octane+ water inj, and the rest of his mods and a great tune....but his tranny would likely grenade.....and I would have done it a bit different and had a bigger TMIC, better numbers and $$$ for the dyno left in my pocket.
07-29-2004, 09:46 AM
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next time you see him tell em you think he's full of sh*t and you have to see it on the dyno.......
if he steps up and makes a few passes on the dyno with legit numbers.....slap him on the back and tell him you are highly impressed and that you should have never doubted him.
if he dodges the dyno.....tell him to bring a snorkel next time so you can breath while swimming through his sea of bullsh*t!
later, riggs
if he steps up and makes a few passes on the dyno with legit numbers.....slap him on the back and tell him you are highly impressed and that you should have never doubted him.
if he dodges the dyno.....tell him to bring a snorkel next time so you can breath while swimming through his sea of bullsh*t!
later, riggs
07-29-2004, 09:53 AM
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one last point i'd like to make.........
i can't stand it when people bullsh*t about their cars. they're so afraid they'll look stupid if they don't have super fast cars.
people used to ask me what i had done to my car when i first got it.....and i'd say simply....."oh, not much....just the standard n00b mods, BOV, axle back, and i took out my jack for weight"
HAHA!!!! i did'n't care....the car sounded good....since then i've pulled the BOV and done a simple COBB stage II reflash with a TBE....and that's it. not ashamed of it...are there faster cars than mine....YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT....and trust me....just about the time you have your car sick fast....another driver will beat you cause he's better than you...PERIOD!!!
322 ponies is something to be very proud of......so i wouldn't put any effort into the kid walking around talking numbers.
the best thing you could do is ignore him....i bet that would really bother him.
PS> I NEVER REALLY TOOK THE JACK OUTTA MY TRUNK.......I WAS JOKING. can you imagine being stuck on the side of the road cause you can't change a tire.
later, riggs
i can't stand it when people bullsh*t about their cars. they're so afraid they'll look stupid if they don't have super fast cars.
people used to ask me what i had done to my car when i first got it.....and i'd say simply....."oh, not much....just the standard n00b mods, BOV, axle back, and i took out my jack for weight"
HAHA!!!! i did'n't care....the car sounded good....since then i've pulled the BOV and done a simple COBB stage II reflash with a TBE....and that's it. not ashamed of it...are there faster cars than mine....YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT....and trust me....just about the time you have your car sick fast....another driver will beat you cause he's better than you...PERIOD!!!
322 ponies is something to be very proud of......so i wouldn't put any effort into the kid walking around talking numbers.
the best thing you could do is ignore him....i bet that would really bother him.
PS> I NEVER REALLY TOOK THE JACK OUTTA MY TRUNK.......I WAS JOKING. can you imagine being stuck on the side of the road cause you can't change a tire.
later, riggs
07-29-2004, 12:02 PM
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Yeah -- my rough tune is actually starting to get better and i forgot to mention that the 22 is a deadbolt 22... plus i have a 25 shot of nitrous that I used on that run.. so we'll see.. Other than that. I'm thinkin about tuning the car down a bit to make around 300whp.. I drive the car ~100-150 miles a day.. looking for work and doing side jobs.
Sucks living near no mechanical work..
And I guess the kid got wind of the forum question I posted. He's stopped talkin ****
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Sucks living near no mechanical work..
And I guess the kid got wind of the forum question I posted. He's stopped talkin ****
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07-29-2004, 04:03 PM
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it might be possible. I have a vf30 in my car and only on 100 octane i dynoed 294whp at vishnu. Thats probably around 320-330 on a different dyno like ATP's in the bay area. Now add water injection to that and you could be right up there....
07-29-2004, 09:05 PM
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I am running a Vf 34 at 20 and still have a stock top-mount. I had my car tuned at turboxs and I put 298 to the ground 93oct. I was told I could make over 300 with a front mount( still not sure if I want to go with one). that 108+ is the main reason that he might not be talking out his ***. it is not like it matters that stocker will get super heat soaked after more then one run at 21