Opinions on ECUTEK
01-04-2003 | 05:00 PM
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Opinions on ECUTEK
The following thread started in the Hawaii regional forum about ECUTEK. Would be interested to hear from others outside of Hawaii. Please post replies here.
Tim
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Tim
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01-04-2003 | 07:57 PM
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1. You don't need a dyno to tune the ECUTEK. Street tune it first , get it close THEN if you want to get the map even more nailed...dyno it. The whole point being...you really don't need the Dyno. Using the deltadash you (a good tuner) can get a very good map with the ECUTEK .
2. Alot of other devices, unichip and utec included get more power out of raising the stock boost (along with fuel and timing). With the ECUTEK you can get more power by keeping /using stock boost (along with fuel and timing).
Imagine you had a radio set to volume five. you wanted it to be louder. Unichip/utec are like adding inexpensive amplifiers to your stereo system to increase the sound. The sound increases but the quality doesn't. Just using the ECUTEK is like turning up the volume to 10 on your stereo system to get better/louder sound...that's it. All stock and clean power.
2. Alot of other devices, unichip and utec included get more power out of raising the stock boost (along with fuel and timing). With the ECUTEK you can get more power by keeping /using stock boost (along with fuel and timing).
Imagine you had a radio set to volume five. you wanted it to be louder. Unichip/utec are like adding inexpensive amplifiers to your stereo system to increase the sound. The sound increases but the quality doesn't. Just using the ECUTEK is like turning up the volume to 10 on your stereo system to get better/louder sound...that's it. All stock and clean power.
01-05-2003 | 07:57 PM
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Ooops posted on the Hawaii forum by mistake
Originally posted on the Hawaii forum by mistake:
I had the reflash for about three weeks now and its is very smooth power. I also had it dynotuned and got 212whp -uppipe, downpipe, catback and samco hoses. Everything else stock.
As the ECU learns more, it gets more aggressive. I will probably get it dyno'ed again but it definitely feels more that 212 now. The first few days after the reflash, my boost gauge read 1.0bar WOT. Now I am getting 1.1 and touching 1.2 WOT in 2nd and 3rd gear. No det and running the cr@ppy CA, 91 octane gas.
No driveability problems at all except for a minor fuel cut at very high speeds. Shiv has stated that he can fix that for free.
BTW, the diff in whp between reflash pre dyno tune and after dyno tune was 6whp.
I had the reflash for about three weeks now and its is very smooth power. I also had it dynotuned and got 212whp -uppipe, downpipe, catback and samco hoses. Everything else stock.
As the ECU learns more, it gets more aggressive. I will probably get it dyno'ed again but it definitely feels more that 212 now. The first few days after the reflash, my boost gauge read 1.0bar WOT. Now I am getting 1.1 and touching 1.2 WOT in 2nd and 3rd gear. No det and running the cr@ppy CA, 91 octane gas.
No driveability problems at all except for a minor fuel cut at very high speeds. Shiv has stated that he can fix that for free.
BTW, the diff in whp between reflash pre dyno tune and after dyno tune was 6whp.
01-05-2003 | 10:10 PM
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I wasnt aware you could use the Delta Dash with the ECUTEK (VISHNUS Version)
If thats how it works, Whats the cost of the DELTA DASH for "home users"...<G>
(I read you could Upload/Download Stock/Reflash maps?)
This would be great as I wouldnt have to buy another ECU if I had to go to emmisions testing in the future.
Hmmmm.
Shotgun
If thats how it works, Whats the cost of the DELTA DASH for "home users"...<G>
(I read you could Upload/Download Stock/Reflash maps?)
This would be great as I wouldnt have to buy another ECU if I had to go to emmisions testing in the future.
Hmmmm.
Shotgun
01-06-2003 | 01:00 AM
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The Delta Dash is a datalogger, which plugs into the OBDII plug. It is a seperate unit from the ECUTek and cannot reprogram your ecu.
In any case I think the ECuTek is great. So far we have made MAPS for a variety of different setups and working on bigger and better now.
In any case I think the ECuTek is great. So far we have made MAPS for a variety of different setups and working on bigger and better now.
01-06-2003 | 12:44 PM
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Thanks for the clarification. As i read my old post it looks like I say the ecutek and deltadash are one in the same.
"You do not need a dyno because you can use the delta dash to monitor/improve your ECUTEK(provided you have the software like we do) map."does that sound better?
"You do not need a dyno because you can use the delta dash to monitor/improve your ECUTEK(provided you have the software like we do) map."does that sound better?
01-06-2003 | 03:09 PM
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Chris,
What I gather you are saying is that DeltaDash for "home" use is a Data GATHERING program that you cannot alter?
HarleyDavidson has a simular product called the "RaceTuner" that has the capabilties of MODIFIYING your Flashes on Harley ECU (home users<G>)
IF ECUTEK were to provide this software to the SUBARU folks for home use,
We too could do the same as H-D owners!!!
Never happen,........all those $275 "Re-flashes" would dissapear.
.02 Shotgun
What I gather you are saying is that DeltaDash for "home" use is a Data GATHERING program that you cannot alter?
HarleyDavidson has a simular product called the "RaceTuner" that has the capabilties of MODIFIYING your Flashes on Harley ECU (home users<G>)
IF ECUTEK were to provide this software to the SUBARU folks for home use,
We too could do the same as H-D owners!!!
Never happen,........all those $275 "Re-flashes" would dissapear.
.02 Shotgun
01-06-2003 | 04:08 PM
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Yes, We use the delta dash to monitor/log the current status of the car and its parts.
We then take that info and "play" around with our ECUtek (or anyone elses') map.
Some Ecutek maps are refined using Dynos. This is a great way to tune. You can log a lot of data...much like the delta dash. However, be carfeul how you actually TUNE your car. Dyno tuning doesn't always equal real world driving conditions. A Dyno Map may spit out a nice phat number but actually it may drive like crap on the streets.
We then take that info and "play" around with our ECUtek (or anyone elses') map.
Some Ecutek maps are refined using Dynos. This is a great way to tune. You can log a lot of data...much like the delta dash. However, be carfeul how you actually TUNE your car. Dyno tuning doesn't always equal real world driving conditions. A Dyno Map may spit out a nice phat number but actually it may drive like crap on the streets.
01-11-2003 | 11:07 AM
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The best case as far as ECU mapping goes would be to develop maps through properly-conducted dyno tuning (followed by road testing). The ECUTEK software integrates Delta Dash features to aid in such dyno tuning by logging and storing min/max knock corrections in each and every load/rpm breakpoint. Using either a dyno or delta dash by themselves leaves a bit to be desired as far as performance/safe margin management goes.
Cheers,
shiv
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Cheers,
shiv
www.vishnutuning.com
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01-16-2003 | 05:51 PM
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I still say that 275 per reflash is complete and utter bull****. And with as much respect as I have for our awesome tuners in the Bay Area Subaru community, I have to wonder if the ECUtec would garner as much support if every home owner were able to do the tuning themselves, hence killing the reflash fee.
I'll be so stoked when some group of ragtag cut throats comes along and starts charging 25 bucks per reflash. There's an idea eh?
-Alan
Oh yeah, that's as close to an official challenge to explain WHY reflashes cost 275 as you'll hear from me... this week.
I'll be so stoked when some group of ragtag cut throats comes along and starts charging 25 bucks per reflash. There's an idea eh?
-Alan
Oh yeah, that's as close to an official challenge to explain WHY reflashes cost 275 as you'll hear from me... this week.
01-16-2003 | 07:23 PM
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I understand reflashing can seem somewhat costly.
Perhaps you added a turbo, injectors and fuel pump since your last reflash? Well, that tune is no easy solution. It would require more time on the street AND dyno to nail a solid map. The tuners TIME and the DYNO fee are going to have to be paid...right?
All in All, reflashe fees should be determind on how much more tuning (street and DYNO) time is required.
Perhaps you added a turbo, injectors and fuel pump since your last reflash? Well, that tune is no easy solution. It would require more time on the street AND dyno to nail a solid map. The tuners TIME and the DYNO fee are going to have to be paid...right?
All in All, reflashe fees should be determind on how much more tuning (street and DYNO) time is required.