Clutch Shudder Warranty
05-20-2003, 11:28 AM
#181
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Each time the clutch assy. Is replaced you should replace the T.O. Bearing.
Just a note the Subaru dealers have run out of fly wheels for the 2.0 WRX
L.O.L He He you guys are slamming us with work
Just a note the Subaru dealers have run out of fly wheels for the 2.0 WRX
L.O.L He He you guys are slamming us with work
05-20-2003, 09:59 PM
#182
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Car Info: 2002 2.5 RS
picked up my car today...
-clutch engages close to the floor
-over all travel seems shorter maybe lighter
DEFINITELY feels like a different car.
DEFINITELY need to "re-learn" how to drive the car
BIG BENEFIT... shifting (especially downshifting into a corner) doesn't upset the chassis like it use to. just SMOOOOOTH!!!
-clutch engages close to the floor
-over all travel seems shorter maybe lighter
DEFINITELY feels like a different car.
DEFINITELY need to "re-learn" how to drive the car
BIG BENEFIT... shifting (especially downshifting into a corner) doesn't upset the chassis like it use to. just SMOOOOOTH!!!
05-21-2003, 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by 8200rpm
picked up my car today...
-clutch engages close to the floor
-over all travel seems shorter maybe lighter
DEFINITELY feels like a different car.
DEFINITELY need to "re-learn" how to drive the car
BIG BENEFIT... shifting (especially downshifting into a corner) doesn't upset the chassis like it use to. just SMOOOOOTH!!!
picked up my car today...
-clutch engages close to the floor
-over all travel seems shorter maybe lighter
DEFINITELY feels like a different car.
DEFINITELY need to "re-learn" how to drive the car
BIG BENEFIT... shifting (especially downshifting into a corner) doesn't upset the chassis like it use to. just SMOOOOOTH!!!
05-21-2003, 09:56 AM
#185
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Car Info: 2002 2.5 RS
Originally posted by StlWrx
do they replaca the throwout bearing ? any one know?
do they replaca the throwout bearing ? any one know?
PARTS...
1 FLY WHL AY FLE (12342AA040)
8 BOLT 10X24.5X1 (800610740)
1 DISC CP CLUTCH (30100AA691)
1 CLUTCH COVER (30210AA411)
2 CLIP CLUTCH SLEEVE (30502AA051)
1 RADIAL BALL BEARING CLU (30502AA051)
6 BOLT/WASHER AY (800508310)
LABOR...
REMOVE TRANSAXLE 3.0
REPLACE TO BEARING 0.2
REPLACE FLYWHEEL 0.4
REPLACE CLUTCH ASSEMBLY 0.4
ADDED BONUS...
WASHED THE CAR
Last edited by 8200rpm; 05-21-2003 at 02:37 PM.
05-21-2003, 12:54 PM
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I saw a copy of the revised TSB but can't find it now. It listed out VIN numbers that were effected by model for one thing. Some other stuff but mostly the same. Wish I could find it again.
05-21-2003, 01:39 PM
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found it:
NUMBER: 03-51-02R
DATE: 05/01/03
APPLICABILITY: All 1999~2002MY and some
2003MY 2.5L Vehicles;
All 2002MY and some
2003MY 2.0L WRX Vehicles
SUBJECT: Cold Clutch Judder (revised bulletin)
INTRODUCTION
In the event you encounter a customer concern of cold clutch judder that goes away after the first few applications, replacement of some clutch parts will be necessary to repair the vehicle. Prior to replacing these parts, you should confirm the engine and transmission mounting is not broken, loose, or misaligned.
2.5L *
Use Clutch Kit: 32098AA020. This kit contains the following parts (and they can also be purchased separately):
Flywheel 12342AA061
Cover 30210AA590
Disc 30100AA851
Bolts (8pc) 800610740
* If the OE flywheel and cover has more then 30,000 miles on it and is in good condition, it can be reused. After 30,000 miles of driving, the surface finish is equivalent to the replacement flywheel and cover.
2.0L **
Flywheel 12342AA071
Cover 30210AA570
Disc 30100AA840
Bolts (8pc) 800610740
** 2002 WRX vehicles with an engine number of #331738 and after can also reuse the OE flywheel and cover if it is in good condition and has more then 30,000 miles on it. Vehicles
produced prior to E/G #331738 will need to install all 4 parts.
These countermeasure parts were installed into production as listed below:
STARTING VIN
LEGACY 2.5L
BAJA 36103910
SEDAN 36206712
WAGON 36305452
OUTBACK 36622108
Forester 3G732771
Impreza 2.5L
SEDAN 3G506077
WAGON 3G805549
Impreza 2.0L
SEDAN 3G500127
WAGON 3G800014
Vehicles after the listed countermeasure, or repairs to vehicles after the clutch set has been installed, can be repaired using individual parts as needed. Repair history should be checked
to determine what parts are currently in the vehicle. The parts system should be checked for any future information regarding these parts.
CLAIM REIMBURSEMENT/WARRANTY INFORMATION
For vehicles within the Basic New Car Limited Warranty coverage period, please refer to the Warranty Labor Time Guide for the applicable labor operation numbers and labor time. Please
use Fail Code JAB-48.
NUMBER: 03-51-02R
DATE: 05/01/03
APPLICABILITY: All 1999~2002MY and some
2003MY 2.5L Vehicles;
All 2002MY and some
2003MY 2.0L WRX Vehicles
SUBJECT: Cold Clutch Judder (revised bulletin)
INTRODUCTION
In the event you encounter a customer concern of cold clutch judder that goes away after the first few applications, replacement of some clutch parts will be necessary to repair the vehicle. Prior to replacing these parts, you should confirm the engine and transmission mounting is not broken, loose, or misaligned.
2.5L *
Use Clutch Kit: 32098AA020. This kit contains the following parts (and they can also be purchased separately):
Flywheel 12342AA061
Cover 30210AA590
Disc 30100AA851
Bolts (8pc) 800610740
* If the OE flywheel and cover has more then 30,000 miles on it and is in good condition, it can be reused. After 30,000 miles of driving, the surface finish is equivalent to the replacement flywheel and cover.
2.0L **
Flywheel 12342AA071
Cover 30210AA570
Disc 30100AA840
Bolts (8pc) 800610740
** 2002 WRX vehicles with an engine number of #331738 and after can also reuse the OE flywheel and cover if it is in good condition and has more then 30,000 miles on it. Vehicles
produced prior to E/G #331738 will need to install all 4 parts.
These countermeasure parts were installed into production as listed below:
STARTING VIN
LEGACY 2.5L
BAJA 36103910
SEDAN 36206712
WAGON 36305452
OUTBACK 36622108
Forester 3G732771
Impreza 2.5L
SEDAN 3G506077
WAGON 3G805549
Impreza 2.0L
SEDAN 3G500127
WAGON 3G800014
Vehicles after the listed countermeasure, or repairs to vehicles after the clutch set has been installed, can be repaired using individual parts as needed. Repair history should be checked
to determine what parts are currently in the vehicle. The parts system should be checked for any future information regarding these parts.
CLAIM REIMBURSEMENT/WARRANTY INFORMATION
For vehicles within the Basic New Car Limited Warranty coverage period, please refer to the Warranty Labor Time Guide for the applicable labor operation numbers and labor time. Please
use Fail Code JAB-48.
05-21-2003, 02:35 PM
#189
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The part numbers they used on my car are DIFFERENT than either TSB!!! I hope it makes no difference.
I guess I can just keep using it until it fails. If the clucth fails prematurely, it MAY be due to replacement with faulty parts (why Subaru would keep the old bad ones in the inventory is beyond me). And they would need to replace it with the correct parts NEXT TIME. Regardless, I'll go longer without having to actually PAY for a clutch.
I guess I can just keep using it until it fails. If the clucth fails prematurely, it MAY be due to replacement with faulty parts (why Subaru would keep the old bad ones in the inventory is beyond me). And they would need to replace it with the correct parts NEXT TIME. Regardless, I'll go longer without having to actually PAY for a clutch.
05-23-2003, 02:02 PM
#190
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Judder Fixed!!
I just got my car back from the dealer after they fixed my car for "Cold Clutch Judder". The clutch feels like silk and no more shudder.
I went and talked with my dealer about it and he was very strait forward about it. It did take a while to get the parts (2 weeks). I guess the flywheel wasn't in country. Anyhow, it is going to take me a little while to get used to my new clutch, it feels a little different than my old one.
Happy driving and keep the rubber side down.
-J
I went and talked with my dealer about it and he was very strait forward about it. It did take a while to get the parts (2 weeks). I guess the flywheel wasn't in country. Anyhow, it is going to take me a little while to get used to my new clutch, it feels a little different than my old one.
Happy driving and keep the rubber side down.
-J
05-23-2003, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by 8200rpm
The part numbers they used on my car are DIFFERENT than either TSB!!! I hope it makes no difference.
I guess I can just keep using it until it fails. If the clucth fails prematurely, it MAY be due to replacement with faulty parts (why Subaru would keep the old bad ones in the inventory is beyond me). And they would need to replace it with the correct parts NEXT TIME. Regardless, I'll go longer without having to actually PAY for a clutch.
The part numbers they used on my car are DIFFERENT than either TSB!!! I hope it makes no difference.
I guess I can just keep using it until it fails. If the clucth fails prematurely, it MAY be due to replacement with faulty parts (why Subaru would keep the old bad ones in the inventory is beyond me). And they would need to replace it with the correct parts NEXT TIME. Regardless, I'll go longer without having to actually PAY for a clutch.
05-23-2003, 05:55 PM
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Well, I too have the evil clutch "judder" problem. After doing some research on i-club (thanks Black Wagon for starting this thread) I took the tsb into my dealer and requested he fix it. The dealer, Jim Keras Subaru of Memphis, told me that they would only replace the parts if they could duplicate the problem. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get them to fix my clutch when I live 45 miles away from the dealer and there is no guarantee that the problem will show up if I leave my car there overnight? Also, this may sound really whacky, but has anybody noticed the judder problem being more pronounced when the petrol tank is approaching empty?
05-23-2003, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by max333
Well, I too have the evil clutch "judder" problem. After doing some research on i-club (thanks Black Wagon for starting this thread) I took the tsb into my dealer and requested he fix it. The dealer, Jim Keras Subaru of Memphis, told me that they would only replace the parts if they could duplicate the problem. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get them to fix my clutch when I live 45 miles away from the dealer and there is no guarantee that the problem will show up if I leave my car there overnight? Also, this may sound really whacky, but has anybody noticed the judder problem being more pronounced when the petrol tank is approaching empty?
Well, I too have the evil clutch "judder" problem. After doing some research on i-club (thanks Black Wagon for starting this thread) I took the tsb into my dealer and requested he fix it. The dealer, Jim Keras Subaru of Memphis, told me that they would only replace the parts if they could duplicate the problem. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get them to fix my clutch when I live 45 miles away from the dealer and there is no guarantee that the problem will show up if I leave my car there overnight? Also, this may sound really whacky, but has anybody noticed the judder problem being more pronounced when the petrol tank is approaching empty?
I would leave it overnight and ask them to look at it first thing in the morning. Chances are they won't even have to leave the lot.
05-28-2003, 05:04 PM
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FINALLY had my clutch replaced under warranty after talking about it for 4 months. Jenson Subaru in Napa, CA did the work. They actually had the parts in stock, but I wonder if maybe it was a case of breaking out their 'secret stash,' on account of the severity of my shudder. Tim, the tech, said that not only did he feel the shudder, he couldn't even get it to go away by the usual method (burn it like Bobcat on Letterman).
So anyways, they also replaced my flywheel, apparently because of the severity of my shudder. No throw out bearing though, surprisingly. The new clutch feels like everybody else has described- softer, and lower to the floor. Very smooth engaging, which is good, since it's engaging so much sooner than I'm used to! Overall, I'm quite happy.
So anyways, they also replaced my flywheel, apparently because of the severity of my shudder. No throw out bearing though, surprisingly. The new clutch feels like everybody else has described- softer, and lower to the floor. Very smooth engaging, which is good, since it's engaging so much sooner than I'm used to! Overall, I'm quite happy.
05-28-2003, 11:33 PM
#195
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Originally posted by BAN SUVS
So anyways, they also replaced my flywheel, apparently because of the severity of my shudder. No throw out bearing though, surprisingly. The new clutch feels like everybody else has described- softer, and lower to the floor. Very smooth engaging, which is good, since it's engaging so much sooner than I'm used to! Overall, I'm quite happy.
So anyways, they also replaced my flywheel, apparently because of the severity of my shudder. No throw out bearing though, surprisingly. The new clutch feels like everybody else has described- softer, and lower to the floor. Very smooth engaging, which is good, since it's engaging so much sooner than I'm used to! Overall, I'm quite happy.
When I get a chance, I'm gonna contact the dealer regarding the part numbers used on my car.