any WRX owners DRIVEN an SRT-4
11-09-2003 | 03:08 AM
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kids like me should goto jail? i aint no kid first of all.. and second my wink was to suggest humor, your roll eyes suggest offensive. i simply responded to linda callin me a load of crock yet i did not take offense and simply responded playfully, i did try to emphasize the yellow face with the wink there i hope u can see.
if i want credibility start talking with it?? i already did state the facts, u sure u didnt misunderstand?
"On regular city streets, I don't see any advantage the WRX's AWD has over a SRT-4's FWD. Heck, the FWD actually will be much more feasible. There was a Neon that used to destroy on AutoX's and its name was the ACR. Your WRX isn't a god-car."
that dont sound credible to me..."Pro:
Fun car to drive,
extremely powerful
less dime-a-dozen
modifications encouraged by manufacturer
Extremely inexpensive
Warranty is better
I like Dodge, family had a Dodge Dart Hemi."
less dime a dozen???? extremely inexpensive???? warranty is better?? sigh... here i go again. in cali.. SRT4 $23,000 WRX $25,000, thats the facts. tax in california is 8%. WRX tranny is more desired than a srt4 tranny, wrx tranny has a center limited slip differential effective for all 4 wheels, srt4 does not have lsd but will for 2004 which will have it on 2 front wheels. it more like srt4 cons: less desired FWD.
you sound more like stubborn kid, especially when u asked, "are you some sort of *** magician that pulls stuff out?" i got more credibility than u will ever have. i already stated the facts. and gave a dorrington a much better description of pros and cons than u, u listed it, how boring, not only boring, not credible.
11-09-2003 | 09:15 AM
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lord look at what I started....
well to summarize what I've been thinking--
I found a nice video on srt forums of a stock wrx and stock srt-4, racing from a highway roll (where the srt has the obvious advantage). Now before I say this I want to clarify again that I DO NOT STREETRACE but the video is nice for comparison purposes. The SRT smoked the wrx, by about, oh, 3-4 car lengths, maybe more. So the wrx is slower, so what? It seemed like it kept up relatively well, and more importantly it always seems like the wrx owners enjoy their cars. The interior and overall quality is much better in the wrx, I'm sure I'll have no arguments there. I really don't need anything that fast. Heck, I'm only 20. Plus, the SRT literally scared me driving it, especially with all the torque steer, though I'm sure I'll get accostomed to it. So, which will I buy? Still don't know, but I foresee myself doing something like this:
I'll go to Subaru and look for an '04 as the '05's are coming out. If I can get a good enough deal I will go with that, hopefully around 22-23 out the door, maybe with premium package. If not, I'll visit my local dodge dealer and "grab life by the horns".
Now, I really shouldn't get into this, but...Downshift-by purpose built race car I just meant that it is a tube frame car, which is much stiffer than your average monoqouque. Plus its mid-engine, RWD, and fully carbon fiber. Yes, that's even the street cars.
well to summarize what I've been thinking--
I found a nice video on srt forums of a stock wrx and stock srt-4, racing from a highway roll (where the srt has the obvious advantage). Now before I say this I want to clarify again that I DO NOT STREETRACE but the video is nice for comparison purposes. The SRT smoked the wrx, by about, oh, 3-4 car lengths, maybe more. So the wrx is slower, so what? It seemed like it kept up relatively well, and more importantly it always seems like the wrx owners enjoy their cars. The interior and overall quality is much better in the wrx, I'm sure I'll have no arguments there. I really don't need anything that fast. Heck, I'm only 20. Plus, the SRT literally scared me driving it, especially with all the torque steer, though I'm sure I'll get accostomed to it. So, which will I buy? Still don't know, but I foresee myself doing something like this:
I'll go to Subaru and look for an '04 as the '05's are coming out. If I can get a good enough deal I will go with that, hopefully around 22-23 out the door, maybe with premium package. If not, I'll visit my local dodge dealer and "grab life by the horns".
Now, I really shouldn't get into this, but...Downshift-by purpose built race car I just meant that it is a tube frame car, which is much stiffer than your average monoqouque. Plus its mid-engine, RWD, and fully carbon fiber. Yes, that's even the street cars.
11-09-2003 | 11:33 AM
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For an *** magician, you sure like to brag that you know "everything". Would you like me to point all the out of the *** things you ever posted? This isn't Nabisco.
"WRX tranny is more desired than a srt4 tranny, wrx tranny has a center limited slip differential effective for all 4 wheels, srt4 does not have lsd but will for 2004 which will have it on 2 front wheels. it more like srt4 cons: less desired FWD."
ROFL, man, and you claim credibility, since when was a drivetrain put into the context of TRANSMISSION? i'm talking about LESS desirable transmission not the AWD drivetrain. Subaru blew it by putting a joe-consumer transmission into a performance sport compact car and they're denying warranties because they want to blame the driver. Thats your TRANSMISSION problem. It had nothing to do with drivetrain. I love your credibility. Remember your rants about the tragic M3 incident? Where was your credibility saying that people crash because they have automatic transmissions. Also, since when was 2,000 dollar difference NOT inexpensive? If the SRT-4 was the car for me, I'd rather save the 2,000 dollars. 20 bills is 20 bills, you can do alot with that besides modifying your car.
Dorrington:
Torque steer is not that bad since you're not modifying it. I had a turbo h22a which power output was about the SRT-4 in terms of whp and it was fine. When I test drove the SRT-4, it was like I was used to it.
"WRX tranny is more desired than a srt4 tranny, wrx tranny has a center limited slip differential effective for all 4 wheels, srt4 does not have lsd but will for 2004 which will have it on 2 front wheels. it more like srt4 cons: less desired FWD."
ROFL, man, and you claim credibility, since when was a drivetrain put into the context of TRANSMISSION? i'm talking about LESS desirable transmission not the AWD drivetrain. Subaru blew it by putting a joe-consumer transmission into a performance sport compact car and they're denying warranties because they want to blame the driver. Thats your TRANSMISSION problem. It had nothing to do with drivetrain. I love your credibility. Remember your rants about the tragic M3 incident? Where was your credibility saying that people crash because they have automatic transmissions. Also, since when was 2,000 dollar difference NOT inexpensive? If the SRT-4 was the car for me, I'd rather save the 2,000 dollars. 20 bills is 20 bills, you can do alot with that besides modifying your car.
Dorrington:
Torque steer is not that bad since you're not modifying it. I had a turbo h22a which power output was about the SRT-4 in terms of whp and it was fine. When I test drove the SRT-4, it was like I was used to it.
11-09-2003 | 02:53 PM
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out the *** thing i said? u dont make sense too much, the tranny has a limited slip differential which is part of the drivetrain fool. and rants aoubt tragic m3 incident, stock manual is higher performance than stock automatic. idid not say he crashed just because he had auto, i simply implied, manual tranny gives better handling and more control compared to automatics.
dorrington, congrats on ur soon to buy new car, let me kno how u like ur new car
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dorrington, congrats on ur soon to buy new car, let me kno how u like ur new car
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11-09-2003 | 07:34 PM
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I just gotta chime in!
Dorrington!
You said you are in Malibu, right? I am in Santa Monica!
If you want to test drive a WRX, come over to my house any time and I'll take you for a drive on Sunset and even let you test drive my little beast. She's got 30K on the odometer, so we can let her open up cause you know, you can never REALLY test drive one at the dealer the way you can test drive it on Sunset
IMHO, the WRX is just plain better, but I am biased. Dorrington, I promise you, after you drive the WRX you'll like it better than SRT-4. No matter how fast, a Neon is a Neon... Rattles, cheapo plastic parts, noises, overall build and material quality, fit, and finish are all inferior to the WRX. It is pretty fast, but you can't really drift it without using the hand brake, and if you ever try to accelerate out of a turn it will loose ALL traction and you'll be doing a mid-turn one wheel burnout...
Anyway, I'd go with a WRX, and I'd get a slightly used one to boot! You can get a nice WRX with 10K to 15K mi on it for under $20K after tax and reg. fees! Great deal on a great car! Thats exactly what I did in 2002!
So, anyway! I am serious! Get in touch with me and I'll let you play with my WRX if it helps you make up your mind. You can email me at spacelev@netscape.net. I'll also PM/email you my digits, so you have no excuses!
And, FYI, once you get a WRX you will not leave it stock for too long!
Maniac.
Your local Psycho.:banana:
You said you are in Malibu, right? I am in Santa Monica!
If you want to test drive a WRX, come over to my house any time and I'll take you for a drive on Sunset and even let you test drive my little beast. She's got 30K on the odometer, so we can let her open up
cause you know, you can never REALLY test drive one at the dealer the way you can test drive it on SunsetIMHO, the WRX is just plain better, but I am biased. Dorrington, I promise you, after you drive the WRX you'll like it better than SRT-4. No matter how fast, a Neon is a Neon... Rattles, cheapo plastic parts, noises, overall build and material quality, fit, and finish are all inferior to the WRX. It is pretty fast, but you can't really drift it without using the hand brake, and if you ever try to accelerate out of a turn it will loose ALL traction and you'll be doing a mid-turn one wheel burnout...
Anyway, I'd go with a WRX, and I'd get a slightly used one to boot! You can get a nice WRX with 10K to 15K mi on it for under $20K after tax and reg. fees! Great deal on a great car! Thats exactly what I did in 2002!
So, anyway! I am serious! Get in touch with me and I'll let you play with my WRX if it helps you make up your mind. You can email me at spacelev@netscape.net. I'll also PM/email you my digits, so you have no excuses!
And, FYI, once you get a WRX you will not leave it stock for too long!
Maniac.
Your local Psycho.:banana:
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11-10-2003 | 02:09 PM
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Yes that would be SWEET!!
That's really generous that you would even offer that...even if you just took me for a "quick" little spin, it's probably all I would need to really make my decision. Like I said before, I've driven a wrx before and remember loving the feel and handling of the car. I couldn't, however, remember just how fast it was, most likely because the area surrounding the thousand oaks dealer doesn't exactly allow for hard driving. I won't be buying until this summer, so is it okay if I just keep your email handy for closer to that time?
Your name says "vendor" under it, what do you sell, out of curiosity? What have you done to your own car? Actually, after you suggested the idea of a used WRX, I started looking at some used prices, and I'm starting to like the idea more and more. I figure with a $18,000 car + $3000 in mods (inc. istall), it'll be cheaper than the neon and just as fast. I don't know why I didn't really think of the idea before. I guess I liked the 04's look better and thought they were nicer on the inside. But I'm considering a freakin neon?? A used 02 would definitely be nicer than that! Plus, I drove by a WRB '02 the other day and really kinda liked it. It looks cool...in a unique kinda way. Do you think 18 is a reasonable goal for a wrx, or is this the kinda thing where you pay for what you get? Used turbocharged car? Kinda sketchy, no?
That's really generous that you would even offer that...even if you just took me for a "quick" little spin, it's probably all I would need to really make my decision. Like I said before, I've driven a wrx before and remember loving the feel and handling of the car. I couldn't, however, remember just how fast it was, most likely because the area surrounding the thousand oaks dealer doesn't exactly allow for hard driving. I won't be buying until this summer, so is it okay if I just keep your email handy for closer to that time?
Your name says "vendor" under it, what do you sell, out of curiosity? What have you done to your own car? Actually, after you suggested the idea of a used WRX, I started looking at some used prices, and I'm starting to like the idea more and more. I figure with a $18,000 car + $3000 in mods (inc. istall), it'll be cheaper than the neon and just as fast. I don't know why I didn't really think of the idea before. I guess I liked the 04's look better and thought they were nicer on the inside. But I'm considering a freakin neon?? A used 02 would definitely be nicer than that! Plus, I drove by a WRB '02 the other day and really kinda liked it. It looks cool...in a unique kinda way. Do you think 18 is a reasonable goal for a wrx, or is this the kinda thing where you pay for what you get? Used turbocharged car? Kinda sketchy, no?
11-10-2003 | 09:03 PM
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Sure thing!
Anytime you want to come out and play give me a call and we'll set something up.
I am a 'vendor' 'cause I make a matching dead pedal for WRX and STi.
I have not done too much to my car, but enough to make it plenty fast. I have a gutted up-pipe, APS turbo-back exhaust with a Cobb ECU reflash and a Cusco rear swaybar. Oh, I also got a set of Yokohama tires. My power and suspension modifications cost me less than $1500 installed. How fast does the car feel after these mods? I'll let you be the judge when you drive it
As far as getting a used WRX, I think its a good idea. There are many non-enthusiasts out there who bought them and want something else now. There are also guys who want the STi and are trying to unload their WRXs fast. Of course, when you buy anything used you are taking a chance, but if you buy a low mileage '02 or '03 you will get the rest of the factory warranty, so if anything goes wrong, it should be covered.
I would advise you not to buy a highly modified car. Sometimes mods that are done wrong (like cheap intakes and "power chips") can really screw-up a car.
So, try to find an un-modified car with 10 to 15K mi on it sold by an adult (30+) party. A woman of 30 to 40 would be perfect (no offence, ladies!). Look carefully for any signs of tampering and check the title to make sure its not "salvage" or "rebuilt" or "other". Get a clean titled, clean, un-abused, un-modified, low miles car, so you can start your own abuse with a clean slate
Maniac.
Anytime you want to come out and play give me a call and we'll set something up.
I am a 'vendor' 'cause I make a matching dead pedal for WRX and STi.
I have not done too much to my car, but enough to make it plenty fast
. I have a gutted up-pipe, APS turbo-back exhaust with a Cobb ECU reflash and a Cusco rear swaybar. Oh, I also got a set of Yokohama tires. My power and suspension modifications cost me less than $1500 installed. How fast does the car feel after these mods? I'll let you be the judge when you drive it As far as getting a used WRX, I think its a good idea. There are many non-enthusiasts out there who bought them and want something else now. There are also guys who want the STi and are trying to unload their WRXs fast. Of course, when you buy anything used you are taking a chance, but if you buy a low mileage '02 or '03 you will get the rest of the factory warranty, so if anything goes wrong, it should be covered.
I would advise you not to buy a highly modified car. Sometimes mods that are done wrong (like cheap intakes and "power chips") can really screw-up a car.
So, try to find an un-modified car with 10 to 15K mi on it sold by an adult (30+) party. A woman of 30 to 40 would be perfect (no offence, ladies!). Look carefully for any signs of tampering and check the title to make sure its not "salvage" or "rebuilt" or "other". Get a clean titled, clean, un-abused, un-modified, low miles car, so you can start your own abuse with a clean slate
Maniac.
11-11-2003 | 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by BoOm
Arguing like "LA Gangsters from LA Public Schools" on a moot subject is completely pointless. Dorrington asked for a balanced pros and cons of each car.
Arguing like "LA Gangsters from LA Public Schools" on a moot subject is completely pointless. Dorrington asked for a balanced pros and cons of each car.
It makes me sad that my great country's schools are producing army's of illiterate morons who don't have the math skills to balance their check book.
12-05-2003 | 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Maniac
... Get a clean titled, clean, un-abused, un-modified, low miles car, so you can start your own abuse with a clean slate
Maniac.
... Get a clean titled, clean, un-abused, un-modified, low miles car, so you can start your own abuse with a clean slate
Maniac.
base 2.5 impreza is 18,5 i think and srt is maybe 19,5-20,5?wrx is 24
12-10-2003 | 01:37 PM
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I'm sorry, I had to skip most of the posts after reading this.
What's up man? Okay, first off .. How long is a drag race? Usually about a 1/4 mile right? Is that 0-60 mph?
Secondly, uh, the other car can like, totally downshift too.
'K. Mopar Stage 3 coming out in 2004 comes with a bigger turbo. A few SRT-4 owners are pushing T3/T4E turbos with over 400 whp and seem to be fine.
Weak internals? I'll admit, the weakest part of the SRT-4's internals are the pistons. Other than that, the SRT-4 Race Car running 8's are running the stock crank, stock rods, and some more stock internals. That's prolly more than 300, 400 hp right?
Instantly smoke the shiet out of an SRT-4? Well, my bone stock SRT-4 (2003) beat my friends WRX with a Turbo XS turbo-back and B&B Muffler. That's like 20 whp right there right? Btw, he's a much better driver than I am too. And what happened to that SRT-4 that you raced off the line?
Meaner than any muscle car? Loooool. I want whatever you're smokin'.
Originally posted by downshift muahahahahahahahahahaha go ahead n get the srt4.
best bang for ur buck? i dont think so, for a FWD, u will always be FWD. yes it make a big different, AWD will launch like nothing off the 4 wheels. on a roll... ever hear of downshifting. awd baby.
best bang for ur buck? i dont think so, for a FWD, u will always be FWD. yes it make a big different, AWD will launch like nothing off the 4 wheels. on a roll... ever hear of downshifting.
awd baby.
Secondly, uh, the other car can like, totally downshift too.
yes dodge srt4 is krazy for its price. its FASTTT for a $22,000 out the door tax included price. WRX comes with wayyyyyyy better internals and AWD, thats why it costs more, AWD is something very expensive. u guys should learn about the internals of the srt4, weak crank, i promise u, if u try to mod ur car to be 300 or 400hp... get ready for some engine damage, MAJOr expensive damage. yes dodge warrantys bolt ons. i repeat bolt ons, excluding a bigger turbocharger.. and u kno why... cause a bigger turbo charger will blow the srt4 motor to smitherins. u basically have to rebuild the whole block, forged crankshaft, forged pistons, etc.. in order to handle a bigger turbocharger. plus additional engine management such as bigger fuel injectors. all that will costs more than the upgrades of an impreza.
Weak internals? I'll admit, the weakest part of the SRT-4's internals are the pistons. Other than that, the SRT-4 Race Car running 8's are running the stock crank, stock rods, and some more stock internals. That's prolly more than 300, 400 hp right?
im trying to look out for my fellow californians here.. im telling u , if u are gona buy a new.. a NEW CAR. between the WRX vs Srt4, get the WRX. do u kno why its has a .4 slower 1/4 time? because it comes stock with 3 cats. u can gut out the uppipe, FREE of costs, and u will instantly smoke the shiet out of the SRT4. cats will restrict high end power, that is why. 0-60, the WRX wins, add the removed cats, which is illegal. =) bye bye bye srt4. but hey if u remove all the cats and leave one u can still be legal. that is enough power to take out the srt4. u kno how i know.. i race an srt4 off the line... his car bone stock, my car bone stock piping except that i gutted my uppipe for free and..... unbolted 2 bolts for an open exhasut, my car sounded crazier and louder than his.
the WRX uses a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder motor, very very unique, meaner than the sounds of a srt4, u ever hear the boxer motor with open exhaust? meaner than any muscle car. it talks the talk and walks the walk. either way though, if u buy either car both will kik major ***. just remember... if u want more potential. its the WRX, trust me wen i tell u the wrx internals are made to handle A LOT a power, all u need to do with a bigger turbocharger is make sure get fuel injections upgrades. for the srt4, thats a different story, itll cost too much to handle a bigger turbocharger. and finally... every competitor now is trying to take out the impreza market.. but.. no one can really be better yet.. see cause technology is patented and copyrighted. so its hard to invent something crazier. WRX is better quality definitely.