any WRX owners DRIVEN an SRT-4
11-06-2003 | 10:29 PM
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no need, u kno why? u can understand me just fine 
this aint english1A, no teacher to give me credit. dis b from da streets, ya kno wat im sayin. from da streets from da streets
..your not supposed downshift into 1st gear! lol... u kidding? or serious.. u will break ur tranny if u do, thats why its designed to resist the shift into 1st if u are still in motion. if u force it.. boom! broken.
yes more displacement, thats an advantage, AND can be a disadvantage, in the srt4's case its advantage and disadvantage, the ej20 is advantage advantage, consistency and balance. that is the key to a fast car. not the bigger motor, not more hp, but a balance of measurements(bore stroke weight physics), torque, and horsepower. the wrx gets lsd to all four wheels, the 2004 srt4 will get lsd to the front wheels. its basically fast enough to make a faster 0-60 time than the srt4, smog regulations restricting its high end significantly.
anyways both cars are sick, but i think the ej20 is sicker
this aint english1A, no teacher to give me credit. dis b from da streets, ya kno wat im sayin. from da streets from da streets ..your not supposed downshift into 1st gear! lol... u kidding? or serious.. u will break ur tranny if u do, thats why its designed to resist the shift into 1st if u are still in motion. if u force it.. boom! broken.
yes more displacement, thats an advantage, AND can be a disadvantage, in the srt4's case its advantage and disadvantage, the ej20 is advantage advantage, consistency and balance. that is the key to a fast car. not the bigger motor, not more hp, but a balance of measurements(bore stroke weight physics), torque, and horsepower. the wrx gets lsd to all four wheels, the 2004 srt4 will get lsd to the front wheels. its basically fast enough to make a faster 0-60 time than the srt4, smog regulations restricting its high end significantly.
anyways both cars are sick, but i think the ej20 is sicker
11-06-2003 | 10:56 PM
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Dorrington,
Just drive both cars as close to the same time as possible and push the cars when you drive them to see which feels better to you. Off-the-line the WRX will pull like a mother if you launch it correctly. Once you get going, the SRT will pull harder. Depending on what's important to you, you might also want to consider ride quality, build quality, interior noise, sound system, etc. to see help you in your decision.
As downshift stated, the WRX has more mod potential than the SRT-4 but that is dependent on how much $$$ you have. The SRT-4 is too new to have many upgrades but Dodge is supporting the development of the engine. The SRT-4 output has been greatly underrated. Showroom stock SRT-4's are dyno'ing at 230 whp which puts it in the power to the wheels range of the EVO and STi (it's drawback is the FWD and being able to get the power to the ground; this is helped with the 2004 models that have a limited slip). For $2500 (Drizz can you confirm?), you will be able to get Stage 2 for the SRT-4 which will put you in the 300+hp range.
Dorrington also has a point about FWD, which I also pointed out, in that it will reach it's limits sooner than AWD, or RWD for that matter. Old conventional thinking was that when you got to around 300 hp, you couldn't effectively put the power to the ground with a FWD car on a roadcourse since you are forcing the front wheels to put power down as well as turn. You will notice that in professional motorsport on asphalt, the fastest cars are RWD (I doubt there is any AWD cars that can keep up with the F1 cars or the ALMS cars).
In terms of pure accelleration, the WRX's advantage is off-the-line because of the AWD (the WRX does NOT have a limited slip in the front, only the rear). Once rolling, AWD becomes a liability because of the extra drag (again, unless the conditions are wet or slippery). Look at trap speeds for stock EVO's and STi's and you will notice that the stage 1 SRT's have close to the same trap speeds as them even though they are about a half second slower.
Also, I still wouldn't consider the EVO or the STi in the same class as the GT2 or the GT3 (which is normally aspirated). But that's my opinion.
Just drive both cars as close to the same time as possible and push the cars when you drive them to see which feels better to you. Off-the-line the WRX will pull like a mother if you launch it correctly. Once you get going, the SRT will pull harder. Depending on what's important to you, you might also want to consider ride quality, build quality, interior noise, sound system, etc. to see help you in your decision.
As downshift stated, the WRX has more mod potential than the SRT-4 but that is dependent on how much $$$ you have. The SRT-4 is too new to have many upgrades but Dodge is supporting the development of the engine. The SRT-4 output has been greatly underrated. Showroom stock SRT-4's are dyno'ing at 230 whp which puts it in the power to the wheels range of the EVO and STi (it's drawback is the FWD and being able to get the power to the ground; this is helped with the 2004 models that have a limited slip). For $2500 (Drizz can you confirm?), you will be able to get Stage 2 for the SRT-4 which will put you in the 300+hp range.
Dorrington also has a point about FWD, which I also pointed out, in that it will reach it's limits sooner than AWD, or RWD for that matter. Old conventional thinking was that when you got to around 300 hp, you couldn't effectively put the power to the ground with a FWD car on a roadcourse since you are forcing the front wheels to put power down as well as turn. You will notice that in professional motorsport on asphalt, the fastest cars are RWD (I doubt there is any AWD cars that can keep up with the F1 cars or the ALMS cars).
In terms of pure accelleration, the WRX's advantage is off-the-line because of the AWD (the WRX does NOT have a limited slip in the front, only the rear). Once rolling, AWD becomes a liability because of the extra drag (again, unless the conditions are wet or slippery). Look at trap speeds for stock EVO's and STi's and you will notice that the stage 1 SRT's have close to the same trap speeds as them even though they are about a half second slower.
Also, I still wouldn't consider the EVO or the STi in the same class as the GT2 or the GT3 (which is normally aspirated). But that's my opinion.
11-07-2003 | 02:26 AM
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yea both cars are sick street cars. lets not get too krazy and talk about straight up pure race cars like F1 and ALMS lol. they dont even got ac, but they have ALMS s2000's rx-7's and imprezas, they are very crazy. if u ever played gran turismo 3 u will see all the cars taht exists. well actually 90%. that game is so far the greatest racing video game, cant wait for gt4. =)
correction: the wrx all wheel drive system uses viscous limited slip center differential built into the tranny case, the differential divides power 50/50 between the front and rear wheels, but if wheel slippage is detected, the lsd sends more power to the tires with more traction.
the STi has the 6speed dccd tranny Driver Center Controlled Differential comes with 3 lsd's, one in the front, one in the center and one in the back, the little switch next to the e brake inside the sti allows to change the power 35/65 to the rear wheels.
bone stock EVO, supercar "its hard to pick anything but the EVO as the winner of this contest. giving up some straight line performance(on a very hot day) to the germans means little when you consider the EVO was on pace or leading the pack in all other excercises, and it costs 35 to 65 percent less than the German cars. We'll give up some street cred any day for that kind of performance. By every measure it appears that the days of spending more to go fast are over."
-Josh Jacquot SCC September 2003 Volume 15 No.9
HOTDAY:
stock evo $28,987 +tax 14.0@97.7mph
vishnu evo $34,000 +tax 13.1@105.9mph
stock BMW M3 $47,195 +tax 13.6@104mph
stock Porche911C4S $81,800 +tax 13.6@103.4mph
stock Audi S4 $45,650 +tax 13.8@100.6mph
the EVO and STi can be in any class except against F1 race cars which arent very legal on the streets.
correction: the wrx all wheel drive system uses viscous limited slip center differential built into the tranny case, the differential divides power 50/50 between the front and rear wheels, but if wheel slippage is detected, the lsd sends more power to the tires with more traction.
the STi has the 6speed dccd tranny Driver Center Controlled Differential comes with 3 lsd's, one in the front, one in the center and one in the back, the little switch next to the e brake inside the sti allows to change the power 35/65 to the rear wheels.
bone stock EVO, supercar "its hard to pick anything but the EVO as the winner of this contest. giving up some straight line performance(on a very hot day) to the germans means little when you consider the EVO was on pace or leading the pack in all other excercises, and it costs 35 to 65 percent less than the German cars. We'll give up some street cred any day for that kind of performance. By every measure it appears that the days of spending more to go fast are over."
-Josh Jacquot SCC September 2003 Volume 15 No.9
HOTDAY:
stock evo $28,987 +tax 14.0@97.7mph
vishnu evo $34,000 +tax 13.1@105.9mph
stock BMW M3 $47,195 +tax 13.6@104mph
stock Porche911C4S $81,800 +tax 13.6@103.4mph
stock Audi S4 $45,650 +tax 13.8@100.6mph
the EVO and STi can be in any class except against F1 race cars which arent very legal on the streets.
11-07-2003 | 11:44 AM
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my input doesn't really matter much...but I think the STi and evo at least have supercar performance in some aspects, and in my opinion thats what really matters.
Whether they're mid-engine, RWD, carbon fiber, street legal race cars is another thing. It's true there are no mitsu evo's or STi's that are seriously competitive in any "big-time" series (except WRC, of course), because the Front engine/AWD isn't the ideal setup for weight transfer and handling balance around a track. The simplest empirical evidence will prove that mid-engine'd cars lead to the fastest lap times possible. That doesn't mean MY mid-engine MR2 can beat even the FF SRT-4, unfortunately.
I used to work for Mosler, now THOSE are supercars for sure.
( www.moslerauto.com )
On a different note, I'm still waiting for input on any other (used) cars I might consider, like an apr stage 3 a4 or s4 or something.
Whether they're mid-engine, RWD, carbon fiber, street legal race cars is another thing. It's true there are no mitsu evo's or STi's that are seriously competitive in any "big-time" series (except WRC, of course), because the Front engine/AWD isn't the ideal setup for weight transfer and handling balance around a track. The simplest empirical evidence will prove that mid-engine'd cars lead to the fastest lap times possible. That doesn't mean MY mid-engine MR2 can beat even the FF SRT-4, unfortunately.
I used to work for Mosler, now THOSE are supercars for sure.
( www.moslerauto.com )
On a different note, I'm still waiting for input on any other (used) cars I might consider, like an apr stage 3 a4 or s4 or something.
11-07-2003 | 07:35 PM
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big time series is formula one only, f1 cars arent really cars, more like jets with super handling on land. other than that EVO and STi dominate all racing events as u can see in the SCCA rally on speed vision. lemans impreza , lemans rx-7 le mans s2000. those are straight up race cars
11-07-2003 | 07:41 PM
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and the most important t hing of all is that the impreza is the one and only true monster of the Togue, and the EVo holds the best record in the Tsukuba circuit. thats the Jun EVO and that will own any car with at least 2 seats. same goes for the advan impreza, itll own any car with at least 2 seats on the Togue.
11-08-2003 | 01:01 AM
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sorry rallying isnt the only form of racing out there. Sure, F1's the top IMO, but there's also grand-am, ALMS, IRL, CART, touring car racing, and, uh, NASCAR (boooo...)
ALL of these are mid-engine'd cars, except, of course, NASCAR (FR) and touring cars (anything from FF to MR to AWD). It's just plain physics why mid-engine'd cars are the best. There are no impreza's, evo's, rx-7's or s2000's in le mans. For proof go here: http://www.americanlemans.com/teams/TeamsCars.asp
You're most likely thinking of the JGTC in Japan, with skylines supras and such.
I'm not saying the impreza or evo aren't INCREDIBLE cars. I think they definitely yield supercar #'s. But they aren't a supercar. They're 4 door sedans. That makes them that much cooler.
By the way, a purpose built, tub frame, carbon fibere'd race car will be much better suited to a track than any impreza race car. This is what the Mosler MT900 is; purpose built. At least spell the name Mosler right, even if you don't really know what they are.
Downshift-do you know of any places in the LA area to take the WRX for some off road, rally-style fun? This would make a HUGE difference in my purchase decision.
ALL of these are mid-engine'd cars, except, of course, NASCAR (FR) and touring cars (anything from FF to MR to AWD). It's just plain physics why mid-engine'd cars are the best. There are no impreza's, evo's, rx-7's or s2000's in le mans. For proof go here: http://www.americanlemans.com/teams/TeamsCars.asp
You're most likely thinking of the JGTC in Japan, with skylines supras and such.
I'm not saying the impreza or evo aren't INCREDIBLE cars. I think they definitely yield supercar #'s. But they aren't a supercar. They're 4 door sedans. That makes them that much cooler.
By the way, a purpose built, tub frame, carbon fibere'd race car will be much better suited to a track than any impreza race car. This is what the Mosler MT900 is; purpose built. At least spell the name Mosler right, even if you don't really know what they are.
Downshift-do you know of any places in the LA area to take the WRX for some off road, rally-style fun? This would make a HUGE difference in my purchase decision.
11-09-2003 | 12:38 AM
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they would never allow a 4 banger into an American lemans series first of all, strict rules and regulations.. no letting 4 bangers woop a s s.
sorri i meant mosler i just get lazy with the spelling sometimes as u can c .
sorri i meant mosler i just get lazy with the spelling sometimes as u can c .
11-09-2003 | 12:56 AM
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yes ofcourse purpose built race cars are the best.
NHRA dragsters hitting 4 second quatermiles is an example of a purpose drag race car, Formula one race car is an example of a purpose track car. lets not get too krazy here lol. there purpose is one thing, hitting the BEST time on the specific track or strip. my purpose is to goto skool without getting pulled over by CHP because "im driving the 2003 WRC STi race car" on the 10 freeway.(i really actually drive a legal car sold from the dealership) none of us here own a F1 car to drive around daily
lets stick with the legal car first of all, and linda, ill smoke you anyday, thats the universal language, dont matter if u win by a mile or an inch, winning is winning, i think im quoting vin diesel hehe. my car will take u on the street, mountains, track, drag strip, roads u name it, as long as u dont got an F1 ill challenge u haha enough shiet talk
dorrington, if u want to go road racing u have to pay a couple hundred bucks but its quite darn fun i can imagine =), i havent been to one personally but my friends tell me u can go which is more north los angeles. sorri dont kno the exact place but they definitely have it, im sure if u ask the right poeple they will point u to the right direction. but if u want to drag there is the pomona, fontana speedway that i often goto. if u want to go drifting hehe and time attacks... acutally i mean drift practices or turn so good u dont need to drift practices, u can goto the local mountains, there is one in glendora, its very fun =) just becareful, some mountains have more dangerous turns and some close at 10pm so u might get locked out.
NHRA dragsters hitting 4 second quatermiles is an example of a purpose drag race car, Formula one race car is an example of a purpose track car. lets not get too krazy here lol. there purpose is one thing, hitting the BEST time on the specific track or strip. my purpose is to goto skool without getting pulled over by CHP because "im driving the 2003 WRC STi race car" on the 10 freeway.(i really actually drive a legal car sold from the dealership) none of us here own a F1 car to drive around daily
lets stick with the legal car first of all, and linda, ill smoke you anyday, thats the universal language, dont matter if u win by a mile or an inch, winning is winning, i think im quoting vin diesel hehe. my car will take u on the street, mountains, track, drag strip, roads u name it, as long as u dont got an F1 ill challenge u
haha enough shiet talkdorrington, if u want to go road racing u have to pay a couple hundred bucks but its quite darn fun i can imagine =), i havent been to one personally but my friends tell me u can go which is more north los angeles. sorri dont kno the exact place but they definitely have it, im sure if u ask the right poeple they will point u to the right direction. but if u want to drag there is the pomona, fontana speedway that i often goto. if u want to go drifting hehe and time attacks... acutally i mean drift practices or turn so good u dont need to drift practices, u can goto the local mountains, there is one in glendora, its very fun =) just becareful, some mountains have more dangerous turns and some close at 10pm so u might get locked out.
11-09-2003 | 01:25 AM
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and as i said, to me the most important is the togue, and tsukuba circuit, togue is real life, tsukuba circuit is track, u need off the line power, on the roll power, and handling power, thats why i choose the impreza. if u want straight drag with best bang for the buck, the srt4. at the end though the srt4 will die in a togue or track circuit. where the impreza will destroy in either. just think USA rally team if u want to be fast on the drag or track. =) bottom line
and as i said: this ones for linda
HOTDAY:
stock evo $28,987 +tax 14.0@97.7mph
vishnu evo $34,000 +tax 13.1@105.9mph
stock BMW M3 $47,195 +tax 13.6@104mph
stock Porche911C4S $81,800 +tax 13.6@103.4mph
stock Audi S4 $45,650 +tax 13.8@100.6mph
lets stick to reality before we dream about lemans and formula one
this is closer to real life, not le mans or F1. because they use a production car and fix it up. this guy Petter Solberg is ranked 1 right now for the 2003 pro rally
and as i said: this ones for linda
HOTDAY:
stock evo $28,987 +tax 14.0@97.7mph
vishnu evo $34,000 +tax 13.1@105.9mph
stock BMW M3 $47,195 +tax 13.6@104mph
stock Porche911C4S $81,800 +tax 13.6@103.4mph
stock Audi S4 $45,650 +tax 13.8@100.6mph
lets stick to reality before we dream about lemans and formula one
this is closer to real life, not le mans or F1. because they use a production car and fix it up. this guy Petter Solberg is ranked 1 right now for the 2003 pro rally
11-09-2003 | 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by downshift
lets stick with the legal car first of all, and linda, ill smoke you anyday, thats the universal language, dont matter if u win by a mile or an inch, winning is winning, i think im quoting vin diesel hehe. my car will take u on the street, mountains, track, drag strip, roads u name it, as long as u dont got an F1 ill challenge u haha enough shiet talk
lets stick with the legal car first of all, and linda, ill smoke you anyday, thats the universal language, dont matter if u win by a mile or an inch, winning is winning, i think im quoting vin diesel hehe. my car will take u on the street, mountains, track, drag strip, roads u name it, as long as u dont got an F1 ill challenge u
haha enough shiet talk
Kids like you should go to jail.
Originally posted by downshift
STi's and EVO's hit low low 13's bone stock, u think srt4's mid 13's is something better? thats about as fast as the srt4 is gona get. its already at peak potential unless u want to invest more than the bone stock STi to forge the internals, because the internals arent going to hang with a 12 second srt4. they are gona blow the motor to hell before u know it. take off one cat or open exhaust ur evo or STi, that shiet is already hitting 12's with stock parts.
STi's and EVO's hit low low 13's bone stock, u think srt4's mid 13's is something better? thats about as fast as the srt4 is gona get. its already at peak potential unless u want to invest more than the bone stock STi to forge the internals, because the internals arent going to hang with a 12 second srt4. they are gona blow the motor to hell before u know it. take off one cat or open exhaust ur evo or STi, that shiet is already hitting 12's with stock parts.
if you want creditbility, start talking with it.
show me proof that the 2.4L Dodge fully R&D'ed for the SRT-4 is at its maximum potential. are you some sort of *** magician that pulls stuff out?
11-09-2003 | 02:39 AM
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Arguing like "LA Gangsters from LA Public Schools" on a moot subject is completely pointless. Dorrington asked for a balanced pros and cons of each car.
SRT-4
Pro:
Fun car to drive,
extremely powerful
less dime-a-dozen
modifications encouraged by manufacturer
Extremely inexpensive
Warranty is better
I like Dodge, family had a Dodge Dart Hemi.
Con:
Quality is a concern
Interior lacks quality
Relatively new
WRX
Pro:
Extensive mods
EJ20 is a proven motor but NOT BULLETPROOF like "some guy" was claiming
IMO looks better
Interior quality
0% Financing NOW
Local Subaru community
AWD for inclement weather
Con:
Less than desired tranny
Gearing
More expensive
Close to a dime-a-dozen
On regular city streets, I don't see any advantage the WRX's AWD has over a SRT-4's FWD. Heck, the FWD actually will be much more feasible. There was a Neon that used to destroy on AutoX's and its name was the ACR. Your WRX isn't a god-car.
I'm impressed with the SRT-4's performance, although I wouldn't buy one, its another option that many of us needed in the market.
SRT-4
Pro:
Fun car to drive,
extremely powerful
less dime-a-dozen
modifications encouraged by manufacturer
Extremely inexpensive
Warranty is better
I like Dodge, family had a Dodge Dart Hemi.
Con:
Quality is a concern
Interior lacks quality
Relatively new
WRX
Pro:
Extensive mods
EJ20 is a proven motor but NOT BULLETPROOF like "some guy" was claiming
IMO looks better
Interior quality
0% Financing NOW
Local Subaru community
AWD for inclement weather
Con:
Less than desired tranny
Gearing
More expensive
Close to a dime-a-dozen
On regular city streets, I don't see any advantage the WRX's AWD has over a SRT-4's FWD. Heck, the FWD actually will be much more feasible. There was a Neon that used to destroy on AutoX's and its name was the ACR. Your WRX isn't a god-car.
I'm impressed with the SRT-4's performance, although I wouldn't buy one, its another option that many of us needed in the market.