yep it happened again I got reffed
03-01-2010 | 02:53 PM
#62
wheres the 1st state ref certificate thats good for a year
03-01-2010 | 03:05 PM
#63
Let's get real, we are all aware that Japanese makes probably get the lion's share, but it's not exclusive, and tends to have a lot to do with the original MSRP of any given vehicle as well, regardless of make (the Nissan GTR being an excellent example of a Japanese vehicle that probably doesn't get profiled due to it's exotic nature.) This is, and has pretty much always been the state of affairs guys. This is America, we've grown up with classic muscle cars restored, and driving down the streets with the lovely carbureted V8's and side-pipes or glasspacks. Large-engined domestic vehicles will more than likely always have that "cool-factor", and will get a nod, wave, or stopped by a LEO simply to chat about what he's done to the car (usually illegal, but not cited for it anyway.) Anyway, I'm tired.
Import owners get lumped together regardless if it is a 18yr old clown in a ****ty Honda or a 30+ year old guy in a Evo with more $ in mods than the cost of a new BMW. The young goons who run around racing everywhere with stupid exhausts on cars that should be junked are the reason guys going 5 under the limit, in a suit and tie, on their way to work get popped simply for having a hood scoop on their STi.
Compare that to domestic owners, they're usually weekend warriors who drive a Camry to work during the week, they generally aren't on YouTube in Oakland racing in the dead of night and don't cause too much headache overall. Sure, their cars are just as illegal as ours, but they get a pass because they're not associated with ****heads with a "**** the police" attitude.
All that said, I think the dumb kid is going to put up less of a fight, at least less of an intelligent fight, than a mature 40 something if they decide to contest it in court. Cops are just like everyone else, they want the easiest way to justify their days pay. If you were a cop and had the choice, would you rather pull over a modded car and throw the book at them, or would you rather get yourself into a high risk situation and risk not going home to your family that night?
03-02-2010 | 02:13 PM
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Word of warning for a fellow Subie owner: you are not abiding by the front license plate requirement by placing it inside the motor vehicle, and even worse, are endangering yourself and/or your passengers by placing a rough-edged, thin metal plate on your dash that can and will sever your head, a limb, or seriously cut/maim you/passenger if you were to get into an accident. This happens, and is a stupid thing to take a chance on imho. Plus it also means you can still get stopped for no front plate. There is a CVC somewhere for the "zone" where a plate can be mounted to fulfill the front plate requirement, but I cannot remember which, or what the exact specifications were. Common sense is generally good enough to mount it legally though. 
Tinting of the windows (fronts with any level tint short of the UV special for those with medical conditions and proof of; rears with anything over the legal %), headlights, or taillights is a good enough reason for a LEO to stop us. In all honesty though, LEO's tend to dislike any "useful" form of window tinting anywhere on the car because it creates more potential risk for them when approaching the vehicle, and it just plain gives them an excuse to stop you to verify whether your tinting is within legal %'s, and then explore other parts of your car.
Not worth it imo.
(Note: I do not know if Eric has the Tomei EL header or the UEL version.)
Nick, if you went with an EL header, it would soften and reduce the db level of the exhaust because it reduces the turbulent pulses natural to the boxer engine with the UEL manifolds. Even when I had an APS 3.5" TBE, it was clearly noticeable when moving from the stock STi exhaust manifold to the APS EL headers, and I thought the 3.5" TBE couldn't possibly be any less obnoxious, but it did tone down and soften up.
QFT ^^^^^^^
I take issue with California's emissions laws for many reasons, but I understand like most that LEO's operating in the state of California have a duty to uphold the laws, they've taken an oath to do both protecting us, and also enforcing (ridiculous) laws that have to do with modifying our personal property, which in our case just so happens to be our transportation.
The big issue here - of which there is plenty of "proof" if you simply speak with LEO's on a large scale, over a wide area of cities, and counties - is that in California, and possibly any state in the US, citing cars for modified emissions control equipment has become as prejudiced as the racial issue has always been across our country. Ask enough LEO's, and you WILL find that many/most will tell you that they actively, or have on multiple occasions in the past, stopped and cited a foreign-make auto, but have not or simply do not stop and cite domestic autos/trucks (generally with eight cylinder or larger engines; turbo-diesel included.) I have asked enough different officers now, and have read statements from known officers both here, and on other forums, to know that this is true and is not some fabricated, whining excuse from foreign car owners to placate themselves over CVC emissions-related citations. Let's get real, we are all aware that Japanese makes probably get the lion's share, but it's not exclusive, and tends to have a lot to do with the original MSRP of any given vehicle as well, regardless of make (the Nissan GTR being an excellent example of a Japanese vehicle that probably doesn't get profiled due to it's exotic nature.) This is, and has pretty much always been the state of affairs guys. This is America, we've grown up with classic muscle cars restored, and driving down the streets with the lovely carbureted V8's and side-pipes or glasspacks. Large-engined domestic vehicles will more than likely always have that "cool-factor", and will get a nod, wave, or stopped by a LEO simply to chat about what he's done to the car (usually illegal, but not cited for it anyway.) Anyway, I'm tired.
Tinting of the windows (fronts with any level tint short of the UV special for those with medical conditions and proof of; rears with anything over the legal %), headlights, or taillights is a good enough reason for a LEO to stop us. In all honesty though, LEO's tend to dislike any "useful" form of window tinting anywhere on the car because it creates more potential risk for them when approaching the vehicle, and it just plain gives them an excuse to stop you to verify whether your tinting is within legal %'s, and then explore other parts of your car.
Not worth it imo.(Note: I do not know if Eric has the Tomei EL header or the UEL version.)
Nick, if you went with an EL header, it would soften and reduce the db level of the exhaust because it reduces the turbulent pulses natural to the boxer engine with the UEL manifolds. Even when I had an APS 3.5" TBE, it was clearly noticeable when moving from the stock STi exhaust manifold to the APS EL headers, and I thought the 3.5" TBE couldn't possibly be any less obnoxious, but it did tone down and soften up.
QFT ^^^^^^^
I take issue with California's emissions laws for many reasons, but I understand like most that LEO's operating in the state of California have a duty to uphold the laws, they've taken an oath to do both protecting us, and also enforcing (ridiculous) laws that have to do with modifying our personal property, which in our case just so happens to be our transportation.
The big issue here - of which there is plenty of "proof" if you simply speak with LEO's on a large scale, over a wide area of cities, and counties - is that in California, and possibly any state in the US, citing cars for modified emissions control equipment has become as prejudiced as the racial issue has always been across our country. Ask enough LEO's, and you WILL find that many/most will tell you that they actively, or have on multiple occasions in the past, stopped and cited a foreign-make auto, but have not or simply do not stop and cite domestic autos/trucks (generally with eight cylinder or larger engines; turbo-diesel included.) I have asked enough different officers now, and have read statements from known officers both here, and on other forums, to know that this is true and is not some fabricated, whining excuse from foreign car owners to placate themselves over CVC emissions-related citations. Let's get real, we are all aware that Japanese makes probably get the lion's share, but it's not exclusive, and tends to have a lot to do with the original MSRP of any given vehicle as well, regardless of make (the Nissan GTR being an excellent example of a Japanese vehicle that probably doesn't get profiled due to it's exotic nature.) This is, and has pretty much always been the state of affairs guys. This is America, we've grown up with classic muscle cars restored, and driving down the streets with the lovely carbureted V8's and side-pipes or glasspacks. Large-engined domestic vehicles will more than likely always have that "cool-factor", and will get a nod, wave, or stopped by a LEO simply to chat about what he's done to the car (usually illegal, but not cited for it anyway.) Anyway, I'm tired.
rear windows can be as dark as you want. front side windows and windshield cant have ANY tint. the clear UV film is good to go though like you said. i personally dont like any film on the front windows at all. the side windows are designed to shatter in the event of a roll over collision. the film prevents the windows from shattering and makes it much harder for people to get out of their cars on their own, or for us to get them out, whichever the case may be.
and yeah man, all cops hate japanese 'tuner' cars. even those of us that..... hmm...... own them (which is probably a lot more than you think).
03-02-2010 | 02:55 PM
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If you don't like the law, then change it. Perhaps before you get caught and have consequences. If you really are against it in principal, why not demonstrate it before getting caught and then HAVING to deal with it?
Suing the state (which as you noted is on the edge of collapse) to try and flex on them and scare them into letting you break the law is weak Billy the Kid.
Not to mention, we will ALL be paying for HIM to break the law if he were to sue the state for ticketing him for being modded... that seems like a no-brainer.
03-02-2010 | 05:04 PM
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5201VC is the section dictating the positioning and mounting of license plates.
rear windows can be as dark as you want. front side windows and windshield cant have ANY tint. the clear UV film is good to go though like you said. i personally dont like any film on the front windows at all. the side windows are designed to shatter in the event of a roll over collision. the film prevents the windows from shattering and makes it much harder for people to get out of their cars on their own, or for us to get them out, whichever the case may be.
and yeah man, all cops hate japanese 'tuner' cars. even those of us that..... hmm...... own them (which is probably a lot more than you think).
rear windows can be as dark as you want. front side windows and windshield cant have ANY tint. the clear UV film is good to go though like you said. i personally dont like any film on the front windows at all. the side windows are designed to shatter in the event of a roll over collision. the film prevents the windows from shattering and makes it much harder for people to get out of their cars on their own, or for us to get them out, whichever the case may be.
and yeah man, all cops hate japanese 'tuner' cars. even those of us that..... hmm...... own them (which is probably a lot more than you think).
I understand that there are a great many individuals who rant and rave over officers citing them, when in fact they have done/are doing something illegal, whether it is a moving violation or modifications to their vehicle that affect the emissions system. If you look at my post again, I only spoke about how there is an issue where a lot of officers in this country will treat an individual differently based on the vehicle they are driving. I was making my post to a) inform the many people that I see with license plates sitting on their dash that they are endangering themselves and anyone in their vehicle, as well as not conforming to the state law requiring a front license plate be properly mounted to the front of a vehicle, and b) to try and help others (who still seem intent on "ragging" on LEO's for stopping them, or citing them for their own wrongdoing) to understand that we are all asking for trouble - regardless of what make/model car we drive - when we illegally modify our vehicles.
Certainly all vehicles in this country are eligible to be stopped and cited if they have illegal modifications per federal and local laws, but at the same time it is also true that some vehicles will receive more attention than others, and that the attention received by LEO's won't necessarily be positive.
As far as window tinting, I only mentioned it because I know the OP, and simply wanted to inform him that having dark window tint is simply drawing more attention to his car than if he had no tint whatsoever.
I hope you will see that not all civilians blame LEO's for everything that happens to them as a result of their own actions, and that there are plenty of us that understand the situation; much the same as the fact that not all LEO's in this country will stop and/or cite a vehicle's owner based on the vehicle make. You do not have to post in defense of those in the profession when quoting me, as I was not attacking to begin with.
03-04-2010 | 10:56 PM
#68
Does anyone know or have a list of the most strict/lax emission law states? I'm certain CA is one of the most strict... but I'm curious to see which states are less treehugger. I can't find a list on google.
I'm wondering because I recently applied to a bunch of out of state colleges and might consider moving my car to that state.
I'm wondering because I recently applied to a bunch of out of state colleges and might consider moving my car to that state.
No smog except for Albuquerque. 20% tint is legal on the front windows. Only one license plate is issued.
And for the folks that like guns, it's legal to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle. You can open carry without a permit.
My sister lives in NM. That's how I know.
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