I wasn't aware of that.

I'm glad to see that some people are learning from this experience. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

 

No one lied.

 

In the linked article above regarding the cyclist, it said that he stated to the officers he did not have his ID on him at the time, and then when they searched him - they found it in his wallet in his pocket. This is called lying.

 

Oh. I think we were talking about what happened when the cops ruined our meet. I was truthful. I don't think they believed me though. My 4EAT, 2.2L a race prepped car? I think not...

 

crazier and stupider things have happened

 

The "campus cops" are actually the same as regular cops, they aren't rent a cops, they have guns and have the same everything as davis cops.

I see that there are some people who side with the police and side with the student. It's just like what happened at UCLA. It's gets me pretty stirred up when everyone says it's ok for the police to do whatever they want IF we don't show them our IDs. Yeah sure it's their right, but if you look at it from the outside, and not be so closed minded and tunnel visioned, you can see that the situation DID NOT have to escalate into anyone being harm. A student, who should feel safe around the police, feels more scared of them. We have a fear of the police now and thats NOT how it's suppose to be. THey threaten anyone that question their authority.

 

nevermind, god i'm so freaking pissed.

 

You probably think I am "siding with the cops" based on what my posts have said. There is no way in hell that would happen based on my own previous experiences. In my opinion, one should feel safer when an officer is present however in reality it is far worse than completely not the case. In any situation - my own or stories I have heard, when an officer is present I feel that they are doing everything they can to find you guilty of *something* rather than trying to establish if everyone is safe and sound, etc.

What I was doing was relaying known facts - which is, if you do not obey an officer, they WILL screw with you. In this case, they asked for his ID, instead of complying he lied to them, which they later proved. I am in no way saying what they did was right but I am saying that what they did SHOULD have been expected. If you get pulled over and you do not do what an officer says, you will have trouble whether you think it's right or not. Saying that does not mean that I am 'siding with the cops' which doesn't make any sense anyway.

Another point to ponder is that the officers are NOT the place to take up your problems with how the system works. They are simply robot drones who are out there "doing their job." Trying to get an officer to break the rules his whole career is based on is neither effective or smart. They are not being 'closed minded' as being open-minded (in your opinion) would get them investigated and then fired. It's all they know. Make sense?

Yes it sucks that officers abuse their power and there is really not much that can be done about that. Yeah it sucks that they see things as black and white and cannot budge on insignificant points when doing so would actually be better for the entire situation in most cases. Now that we know this, let's do what we can on our side to not attract their attention.

 

Cops have been profiling young adults with modified cars since the end of WWII. It's a fact of life. Get over it. It isn't going to drastically change anytime soon because the guys that were getting hassled 30-60 years ago are now in charge of "The System", and if they really cared enough they would have done something by now to change things.

Oh yeah, that's right. Those guys already have done something about it.

Those guys created such organizations as the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) and the Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association (SEMA). Those guys fought hard for us to have the ability to modify our cars just about any way we please, compared to the laws of most other industrialized countries. Those were the guys that campaigned for the creation of the drag strips and race tracks that we are able to enjoy today. Those were the guys that as a group tried to educate the law enforcement community and the general public about our hobby, such that we today aren't completely looked at as "outlaws" and "hoodlums".

On the other hand, what occured on the campus of UC Davis over a week ago was a prime example of what NOT to do, such that it reinforces the negative stereotypes that "outsiders" (LEO's and non-enthusiasts) share about us. Here are some prime examples:

Outsiders only see this as openly bragging to the crowd gathered 'round as to what you have under the hood. Sometimes bragging leads to a challege, which sometimes leads to a competition.
Now you can say "We don't street race" to the cops all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the guys that DO street race say the exact same thing. If you wanna show your buddies what's up, the best thing to do is post pics somewhere here on i-Club. Otherwise, an open hood is just an open invitation...

From LEO's point of view, those two were sizing each other up for a race. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM WHAT YOU SAY TO THE CONTRARY, they have probably heard that story before.

From LEO's point of view, anyone who refuses the request to show ID is trying to hide something. Usually it is something bad, and possibly it could be something dangerous to the officer's life. JUST SHOW THEM YOUR DAMN ID! If you refuse, you have broken the law, which means you have committed a crime, which means... YOU ARE NOW A CRIMINAL!

Welcome to the wonderful world of interrogation! Just tell them the truth, and you'll get through it.

To the outsiders, YES. A car's engine is modified 99% of the time for one thing, and one thing only; MORE SPEED. Why on God's green earth would you want to go fastAr? TO RACE!





Absolutely true. Unfortunately, i-Club isn't as large or as well established as the NHRA or SEMA; if you really want your voice to be heard by the lawmakers, join these two organizations NOW!

Oh puhleeeese.
Pulling the "race card" on this is a chicken**** move if I ever saw one. Illegally modifying your car is a CHOICE; being black isn't.

You gotta pay to play, period. If you ILLEGALLY mod your car, you will either need to pay for a tow rig and a daily-driver, or you will pay the fines you EARN trying to drive a race car on the street.

O'RLY?!? Go find yourself an old Austrailian hot-rodder and ask that guy what happened over there during the 1970's. High-performace cars were legislated right off the showroom floor, and such awe-inspiring races as the Bathurst 1000 vanished forever.

This is true.

This is bull****. No money in the budget to nab genuine scofflaws? I don't think so.

This is where that NHRA membership comes into play.

This is where that SEMA membership comes into play.

For Godsakes, we are just taking about cars here, not Soviet Communism.

Thankfully, you wrote a letter to people who do care. So much so that I'd be surprised that most of the BAIC and the SRIC aren't pissed-off at some of you guys who admittedly have illegally modified your cars, acted like tools and/or fools to the LEO's, and then have the audacity to come on the internet and ****/moan/complain about it!

You are GODDAMN lucky you didn't get popped for having illegally modified cars, which could have been impounded for 30 days! You guys are lucky that each and every one of you didn't even get ticketed for loitering! Your shady-acting buddy is lucky the cop didn't pepper-spray his ***!

AND NOW, SINCE I LIVE IN DAVIS, I'LL BE LUCKY THAT I DON'T GET PULLED OVER JUST FOR DRIVING A SUBARU!

SO STFU ALREADY!!!

 

dude what the hell is your freaking problem? i'll read what you wrote when i have time, but uh, relax ok? don't take it so personally. i seel ots of bold and capital letters.

 

bah, i was goign to make a reply, but i don't want to argue. I do enough thinking and making arguments in english class or solving problems, i'm tired, i just want to come home and relax, read i-club, laugh at funny threads.

wombatsauce, i realyl wasn't directing my post to you. I only made that post after my gf said sometihng like pretty annoyingly/mad that people should just show their damn IDs.

Another thing to ponder, if the guy they stopped were YOU, and you did not produce your ID because you really didn't have it (at that time the officers did not know), and they shoved YOU on the ground and cuffed and searched you, how would you feel?

People, just relax, most of us go by our lives not making a difference, and that's perfectly ok, i just want to get by, make money, have a good family and live with my gf - future wife ...do fun stuff. I don't really care about other people's problems, but when it hits so close to home, you have to start caring.

 

Oh sorry, thought you were talking about the meet.

 

Snot, Just read your post, I liked it. But just a few points to clarify.

1. The cars with popped hoods were at least 75 feet from each other. I do see your point about the open invitation though. IDK, just an FYI

2. The guy that didn't give up his ID right away was not resistant, he just asked "Why?". Simple, no attitude, "Why?". When the cop gave an overly rude reply, that's when we were like "Woah, wth was that for?" I think a good police officer should be able to keep a civil manner and talk with someone even before you give your ID. The guy was reaching for his wallet when he asked as well.

Just wanted to clear that up.

 

On one hand, the standard for reasonable suspicion is relatively easy to meet. On the other hand, always carry your attorney’s card in your wallet. Circumstances may arise where you may wish to hand that card to the police and say that you want to speak to your attorney. This may help exclude evidence being used against you that is not properly obtained.

 

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