The worst school shooting to date...
12-14-2012, 08:58 PM
#91
Yeah I think, or I HOPE, we can all agree this has nothing to do with gun control. Personally I know countless people that own guns... I know ZERO people that would ever harm a child. This whole story makes me so sick. School shootings aren't something that should happen. Murder/suicide ect. have occurred for as long as man has been alive, but someone shooting up a class room of kids?? Makes me sick to the stomach every time I think about it
12-14-2012, 09:13 PM
#93
12-14-2012, 09:34 PM
#95
If you believe that the availability of guns has no correlation to gun related violence, I don't think you will ever learn.
find me a school shooting in a country where firearms are outlawed and I shall gladly concede my position.
The washington post did a seemingly thorough piece on the issue, complete with actual statistics, it also compares the correlation of gun control laws vs shootings, the source of said guns in shootings and comparisons with other countries.
Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
Four more studies done by Harvard University:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research...ath/index.html
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence about responsible, sane gun owners, but I still adhere to facts and numbers. If you can provide factual evidence to refute this, by all means, go ahead. I'm listening.
find me a school shooting in a country where firearms are outlawed and I shall gladly concede my position.
The washington post did a seemingly thorough piece on the issue, complete with actual statistics, it also compares the correlation of gun control laws vs shootings, the source of said guns in shootings and comparisons with other countries.
Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
Four more studies done by Harvard University:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research...ath/index.html
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence about responsible, sane gun owners, but I still adhere to facts and numbers. If you can provide factual evidence to refute this, by all means, go ahead. I'm listening.
Last edited by w0ng3r; 12-14-2012 at 09:41 PM.
12-14-2012, 10:03 PM
#96
If you believe that the availability of guns has no correlation to gun related violence, I don't think you will ever learn.
find me a school shooting in a country where firearms are outlawed and I shall gladly concede my position.
The washington post did a seemingly thorough piece on the issue, complete with actual statistics, it also compares the correlation of gun control laws vs shootings, the source of said guns in shootings and comparisons with other countries.
Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
Four more studies done by Harvard University:
Homicide - Firearms Research - Harvard Injury Control Research Center - Harvard School of Public Health
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence about responsible, sane gun owners, but I still adhere to facts and numbers. If you can provide factual evidence to refute this, by all means, go ahead. I'm listening.
find me a school shooting in a country where firearms are outlawed and I shall gladly concede my position.
The washington post did a seemingly thorough piece on the issue, complete with actual statistics, it also compares the correlation of gun control laws vs shootings, the source of said guns in shootings and comparisons with other countries.
Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
Four more studies done by Harvard University:
Homicide - Firearms Research - Harvard Injury Control Research Center - Harvard School of Public Health
You can give me all the anecdotal evidence about responsible, sane gun owners, but I still adhere to facts and numbers. If you can provide factual evidence to refute this, by all means, go ahead. I'm listening.
If you believe that guns are the only correlation to murder, then I know you will never ever learn.
Your statements and beliefs reflect upon a more neutral, generalized, average citizen on the bell curve mentality. Whats being questioned here is really the chemical unbalance, psychotic and psychological make up of a disturbed and possibly mentally ill individual at a early stage who's rage has been directed towards unrelated individuals and innocent bystanders. You do not try to weigh the mentally disturbed mind with an averagely sane one. You do not mix crazy and try to fight it with sound reasoning. In other word, oil and water do not mix.
Lets step back and think about a couple of things. In the mind of a serial killer, or an extremist, terrorist, or even a homicidal maniac; if their intent is to harm others, then that is exactly what they will try to achieve. You think that guns will stop something from beginning? You mention repeatedly that it is soooooo easy for individuals to get fire arms, do you know whats even easier? Pulling the trigger and firing a fire arm. Guns are the first to get acknowledgement because of the simplicity of the whole tool. Aim, pull, fire. Guns are not the most convenient method to take out individuals or a vast demographic. When a murderer chooses a fire arm, it is more out of enjoyment to control and see which one of the victims that stand before you fall first. It is a mind game, in that game their thirst or anger is fed with satisfaction through the reasoning that they see and believe through their eyes and psychological mentality. They do it to enjoy the experience, to gain satisfaction in every second until the bitter inevitable end. What ever the reason it may be, from scarred past events or just the sheer hunger of specific bodily chemicals being released into their blood stream.
If they didn't have fire arms..... well I can honestly name multiple methods that are lot more effective and convenient when trying to target and remove a vast demographic. Many are DIY and home made with readily available resources. The information is even easier to find, since the intranet is our vast information system.
Now from the pictures recovered, I see that this 20 year old looks more than a child if anything even if they are a legal USA adult. So now the reasoning behind this is whole event is even more intricate and complicated. I never met the kid so I don't have an opinion of who he really is. Since he offed him self, no one will really know the whole truth of the matter.
Last edited by pho_shizzle; 12-14-2012 at 10:06 PM.
12-14-2012, 10:10 PM
#97
This is why there should be guns in "gun free" zones.
First of all, I believe in there are more same folks than insane. You have more sane folks with weapons, people defend themselves more often and prevent stuff from going too far.
Go make a thread on gun control elsewhere, this is not the avenue for it. What we have is all skepticism. What we do know is that guns exist, they aren't leaving or disappearing no matter how strict the laws. Bad folks will always find means to get weapons, knife/gun/steel toe boot/whatever.
12-14-2012, 10:47 PM
#98
If you believe that guns are the only correlation to murder, then I know you will never ever learn.
Your statements and beliefs reflect upon a more neutral, generalized, average citizen on the bell curve mentality. Whats being questioned here is really the chemical unbalance, psychotic and psychological make up of a disturbed and possibly mentally ill individual at a early stage who's rage has been directed towards unrelated individuals and innocent bystanders. You do not try to weigh the mentally disturbed mind with an averagely sane one. You do not mix crazy and try to fight it with sound reasoning. In other word, oil and water do not mix.
Lets step back and think about a couple of things. In the mind of a serial killer, or an extremist, terrorist, or even a homicidal maniac; if their intent is to harm others, then that is exactly what they will try to achieve. You think that guns will stop something from beginning? You mention repeatedly that it is soooooo easy for individuals to get fire arms, do you know whats even easier? Pulling the trigger and firing a fire arm. Guns are the first to get acknowledgement because of the simplicity of the whole tool. Aim, pull, fire. Guns are not the most convenient method to take out individuals or a vast demographic. When a murderer chooses a fire arm, it is more out of enjoyment to control and see which one of the victims that stand before you fall first. It is a mind game, in that game their thirst or anger is fed with satisfaction through the reasoning that they see and believe through their eyes and psychological mentality. They do it to enjoy the experience, to gain satisfaction in every second until the bitter inevitable end. What ever the reason it may be, from scarred past events or just the sheer hunger of specific bodily chemicals being released into their blood stream.
If they didn't have fire arms..... well I can honestly name multiple methods that are lot more effective and convenient when trying to target and remove a vast demographic. Many are DIY and home made with readily available resources. The information is even easier to find, since the intranet is our vast information system.
Now from the pictures recovered, I see that this 20 year old looks more than a child if anything even if they are a legal USA adult. So now the reasoning behind this is whole event is even more intricate and complicated. I never met the kid so I don't have an opinion of who he really is. Since he offed him self, no one will really know the whole truth of the matter.
Your statements and beliefs reflect upon a more neutral, generalized, average citizen on the bell curve mentality. Whats being questioned here is really the chemical unbalance, psychotic and psychological make up of a disturbed and possibly mentally ill individual at a early stage who's rage has been directed towards unrelated individuals and innocent bystanders. You do not try to weigh the mentally disturbed mind with an averagely sane one. You do not mix crazy and try to fight it with sound reasoning. In other word, oil and water do not mix.
Lets step back and think about a couple of things. In the mind of a serial killer, or an extremist, terrorist, or even a homicidal maniac; if their intent is to harm others, then that is exactly what they will try to achieve. You think that guns will stop something from beginning? You mention repeatedly that it is soooooo easy for individuals to get fire arms, do you know whats even easier? Pulling the trigger and firing a fire arm. Guns are the first to get acknowledgement because of the simplicity of the whole tool. Aim, pull, fire. Guns are not the most convenient method to take out individuals or a vast demographic. When a murderer chooses a fire arm, it is more out of enjoyment to control and see which one of the victims that stand before you fall first. It is a mind game, in that game their thirst or anger is fed with satisfaction through the reasoning that they see and believe through their eyes and psychological mentality. They do it to enjoy the experience, to gain satisfaction in every second until the bitter inevitable end. What ever the reason it may be, from scarred past events or just the sheer hunger of specific bodily chemicals being released into their blood stream.
If they didn't have fire arms..... well I can honestly name multiple methods that are lot more effective and convenient when trying to target and remove a vast demographic. Many are DIY and home made with readily available resources. The information is even easier to find, since the intranet is our vast information system.
Now from the pictures recovered, I see that this 20 year old looks more than a child if anything even if they are a legal USA adult. So now the reasoning behind this is whole event is even more intricate and complicated. I never met the kid so I don't have an opinion of who he really is. Since he offed him self, no one will really know the whole truth of the matter.
Guns are an easy means to kill, the shooters mother was shot with her own rifle. Don't you think that makes a very clear statement? Like I've said all along, banning guns alone won't solve the problem, but the fact remains that a nutjob who is able to get hold of a gun is far more dangerous than one without.
12-14-2012, 10:53 PM
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In order for a shooting to occur, you need two things: Someone with intent and a means to do it.
Guns are an easy means to kill, the shooters mother was shot with her own rifle. Don't you think that makes a very clear statement? Like I've said all along, banning guns alone won't solve the problem, but the fact remains that a nutjob who is able to get hold of a gun is far more dangerous than one without.
Guns are an easy means to kill, the shooters mother was shot with her own rifle. Don't you think that makes a very clear statement? Like I've said all along, banning guns alone won't solve the problem, but the fact remains that a nutjob who is able to get hold of a gun is far more dangerous than one without.
12-14-2012, 11:10 PM
#102
I'm sorry, this is beneficial to the discussion, how? I shall give the benefit of the doubt that there isn't some form of "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM" xenophobia going on here. And for the record, yes, the crime rate is Singapore is one of the lowest in the world. I don't just FEEL that it's safer, I KNOW it is.
Last edited by w0ng3r; 12-14-2012 at 11:14 PM.
12-14-2012, 11:23 PM
#103
In order for a shooting to occur, you need two things: Someone with intent and a means to do it.
Guns are an easy means to kill, the shooters mother was shot with her own rifle. Don't you think that makes a very clear statement? Like I've said all along, banning guns alone won't solve the problem, but the fact remains that a nutjob who is able to get hold of a gun is far more dangerous than one without.
Guns are an easy means to kill, the shooters mother was shot with her own rifle. Don't you think that makes a very clear statement? Like I've said all along, banning guns alone won't solve the problem, but the fact remains that a nutjob who is able to get hold of a gun is far more dangerous than one without.
12-14-2012, 11:28 PM
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I'm sorry, this is beneficial to the discussion, how? I shall give the benefit of the doubt that there isn't some form of "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM" xenophobia going on here. And for the record, yes, the crime rate is Singapore is one of the lowest in the world. I don't just FEEL that it's safer, I KNOW it is.
12-14-2012, 11:29 PM
#105
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