Who would win in a race? Tuned STi VS a 2010 G37S
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1. You will not be "racing" at a track day. If someone hears you say "race" or mention timing laps for comparison, you will be asked to leave, and for good reason.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
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1. You will not be "racing" at a track day. If someone hears you say "race" or mention timing laps for comparison, you will be asked to leave, and for good reason.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
If I were to drive both cars for the first time and I get 10 laps in each car, I'd take the best of the 10 laps for each car and compare which was faster and why. The car plays a large roll and I'm curious to know (as well as anyone who has a car) which goes faster.
When we're at the track we'll be racing each other regardless of what we say we're doing. We probably wont even be on the track at the same time as each other but what's important to us is the lap time, so we're racing the clock to beat one another although we're not even on the track together.
So I guess to answer your question, the reason people feel the need to compare cars in this fashion is due to a natural curiosity of which machine outperforms the other... Much like we've been comparing which man is stronger for the past 10,000 years.
I find it odd that you'd ask someone why they want to know which car goes faster...
So you never drive along and think "Hmmmm, I wonder if that car is faster than mine?"? Obviously "faster" is a subjective word that can be used to describe many situations which are unique to each other but still portray the element of racing.
Having a bad morning or somethin?
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PS: I'd also just like to add again that he and I are both very similar in terms of driving skill. We've raced each other in everything from go-karts to fishing ( ) and we're always right on par with each other regardless of what we're doing. This is where you can compare the two cars to each other. (of course you can compare drivers too).
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1. You will not be "racing" at a track day. If someone hears you say "race" or mention timing laps for comparison, you will be asked to leave, and for good reason.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
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In all the track days I've been to (even when spectating) I have never heard someone say anything about racing as long as there is no danger involved I know the rules of the track and I know you can't go bumping people as you pass, and know to pull aside when someone wants to pass,etc... But having the sense of competition is natural and comes automatically and it also makes it so much more exciting and I think it's just natural to want to one up the person ahead of you. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just me...
I've never been to a track school where you have structure as they teach you how to drive... The track days Ive been to are always private events where people get together and rent the track for the day. There are people there to help you but no real instructors/teachers. We still have different classes and such but no lectures or things of that nature.
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I'm sure they have some guidelines if there is pace groups out there like in moto, the c (novice) group, has 6ft passing cushion, then B group is faster but with a passing cushion, and A group if no restrictions go as fast and aggressive as you want.
I haven't done a car trackday, but do they also do groups?
I haven't done a car trackday, but do they also do groups?
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I'm sure they have some guidelines if there is pace groups out there like in moto, the c (novice) group, has 6ft passing cushion, then B group is faster but with a passing cushion, and A group if no restrictions go as fast and aggressive as you want.
I haven't done a car trackday, but do they also do groups?
I haven't done a car trackday, but do they also do groups?
I'd like to attend a track school... I know it's expensive but anyone know how much a 1 or possibly 2 day course would cost? (Any track within driving distance). Anyone know of any good schools, like Skip Barber, etc? I want to take my wife so she can learn more about her car since she's one of the worst drivers in America. I figure I can justify the cost as insurance/preventive. lol
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1. You will not be "racing" at a track day. If someone hears you say "race" or mention timing laps for comparison, you will be asked to leave, and for good reason.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
2. The car has NOTHING to do with this. It is all up to the driver. Not some tracks, all tracks, anywhere. You could have a Miata and a Z06 go out there and it will be all up to the driver. How could you not know this?
Now, if you say you are going to a track day with a buddy and you are going to swap cars just for fun and have a great time, etc - that is a whole different thing. You do not RACE at a track day. You drive in a high performance fashion.
What's with all the "will car beat other car" crap? That makes no sense at all, and seems odd coming from someone who says they have done loads of track days. Cars need drivers.
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Skip barber @ Laguna is $1k with a miata for 1 day, $1400 for 2 days.
I have a stg.2 LGT, and my buddy has a g37s + 2 or 3 more track days than me.
I got him beat @ Infineon & Laguna, he's got me beat at T.Hill and BW.
Hopefully after i get my new turbo tuned, I'll take the title for all 4 xD
I'll put my money on whoever's been to T.hill the most between you two. If you have the same amount of seat time at that track, I'll bet on whoever has more *****/wants to win more.
I have a stg.2 LGT, and my buddy has a g37s + 2 or 3 more track days than me.
I got him beat @ Infineon & Laguna, he's got me beat at T.Hill and BW.
Hopefully after i get my new turbo tuned, I'll take the title for all 4 xD
I'll put my money on whoever's been to T.hill the most between you two. If you have the same amount of seat time at that track, I'll bet on whoever has more *****/wants to win more.
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Yeah, you need to learn to race before taking it at the track. Just know how to turn and how to exit them. Also, when you're at a straight you just WOT and if a person passes you up on the straight just take them in the corners because you have mad cornering skills yo.
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Yeah, you need to learn to race before taking it at the track. Just know how to turn and how to exit them. Also, when you're at a straight you just WOT and if a person passes you up on the straight just take them in the corners because you have mad cornering skills yo.
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When we're at the track we'll be racing each other regardless of what we say we're doing. We probably wont even be on the track at the same time as each other but what's important to us is the lap time, so we're racing the clock to beat one another although we're not even on the track together.
Essentially, my post was a warning as after being and working at race tracks for a few years, I have seen people show up like this and talk about racing or comparing times and then get ejected due to the fact that any competition whatsoever during a "high performance driving event" will render most race track's insurance void.
Basically, I wanted to say: be safe, don't do anything stupid, compare your lap times if you like but keep any of that between you two. Don't be all "man I almost HAD you" and stuff and definitely don't crash.
I guess the fact that I disagree with some of what you say makes you think I am in a bad mood. Mood is difficult to judge with writing since you read the words back in any tone you choose. Currently in New York City and having a great time.
Have a safe and awesome time at your track day. I can't wait to get back on a track again some day.