Well then where the F**K are our e85 stations?

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Old 02-17-2010, 08:04 PM
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Well then where the F**K are our e85 stations?

CARB bans race gas use in street registered vehivles even used only on the track.
No More Race Gas for Licensed Vehicles in California..

I bolded what I though was important. In a nutshell if you have a car or bike that sees dual duty you can't run race gas even if you're only putting it in at the track. You can use the 100 octane CARB legal VP you sometimes find at some service stations. Also service stations will have to keep records of who is buying the race gas and document what race it was in. I would think this would effect people who race doing track days as this is not a sanctioned race.

Here is the poop from carb:

www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs397.pdf


SALES, SUPPLY, AND USE REQUIREMENTS

The purpose of this advisory is to inform refiners, blenders, importers, and
distributors of racing fuel of the regulations and requirements concerning the
supply, sales, and use of gasoline used in racing vehicles (referred to herein
as "racing fuel" or "racing gasoline") in California. This
advisory applies only to motor vehicles. See the definition of "motor
vehicle" below.

The California Reformulated Gasoline Regulations (RFG) found in Title 13 of the
California Code of Regulations (CCR), Sections 2250-2273.5 require California
gasoline sold, offered for sale, supplied or offered for supply as a motor
vehicle fuel to meet certain and specific chemical content and physical
property specifications, including, essentially, a zero lead (Pb) content
requirement.

"Supply" means to provide or transfer a product to a physically
separate facility, vehicle, or transportation system. Thus, any person in the
marketing chain, including an end user / purchaser fueling his own vehicle, is
supplying gasoline and is subject to the California RFG Regulations.

"Motor vehicle" is defined as a self-propelled vehicle in section 415
of the California Vehicle Code. Therefore, racing vehicles are by definition
motor vehicles. Please note that boats and airplanes are not defined as motor
vehicles.

"Racing vehicle" is defined as a competition vehicle not used on
public highways. Further, if you can drive it to the track, it is not a racing
vehicle. Racing vehicles are exempted from California Air Resources Board
(CARB) vehicular air pollution control requirements in section 43001 of the
California Health and Safety Code. Racing fuel (gasoline used in racing
vehicles), however, is not exempt from the California RFG requirements except
as provided in Section 2261(f) of the CCR.

Section 2261(f) specifically provides, in part, that sub-article 2 (Standards
for Gasoline) and section 2253.4 (Lead/Phosphorus in Gasoline) "shall not
apply to gasoline where the person selling, offering or supplying the gasoline
demonstrates as an affirmative defense that the person has taken reasonably
prudent precautions to assure that the gasoline is used only in racing
vehicles."

CARB considers gasoline (leaded or unleaded) used in racing vehicles for
testing, practice, or actual competition for and during a sanctioned racing
event to be exempt from the reformulated gasoline (RFG) specifications.
Competition vehicles driven to a racing event on a public highway rather than
being transported on a trailer or other carrier are not racing vehicles. Motor
vehicles used for work, pleasure, or recreation, i.e. cars, trucks,
4X4’s, motorcycles, dirt bikes, ATV’s, dune buggies, sand rails,
and other vehicles not strictly used for racing events, are not racing vehicles
and gasoline used in these vehicles is not exempt from California RFG
requirements. Therefore, it is illegal to sell, offer for sale, supply, and
offer for supply non-complying racing fuel (leaded and unleaded) for motor
vehicles in California except in competition racing vehicles. Many refiners,
blenders, and distributors of racing fuel sell and supply a "street
legal" high octane unleaded gasoline (racing fuel) blend that complies
with the specifications for California RFG. This complying racing ED –
Form #075 (Rev. 07/04) ED – Form #075 (Rev. 07/04)

Leaded and unleaded racing fuel that does not meet the California RFG
specifications (non-complying racing gasoline) can only be sold, offered for
sale, offered for supply, or supplied for use in true, competition racing
vehicles. The retailer, i.e. service station, speed shop, auto parts store,
fuel distributor, and race track fuel dispensing facility, etc., who is selling
or supplying this non-complying gasoline must "take reasonable prudent
precautions to assure that the gasoline will be used only in racing
vehicles." If the vehicle this fuel is to be used in is registered or
licensed for on-road or off-road use, this usually indicates that non-complying
racing fuel cannot be used in it and the sale or supply of the fuel should not
take place. CARB will consider this and all other relevant circumstances to
determine if "reasonable prudent precautions" were followed in any
particular case. In evaluating whether "reasonable and prudent
precautions" were followed, CARB will consider whether the retailer kept a
record of each sale of non-complying racing gasoline and whether each sales
record contains the following information:


Date of Fuel Purchase

Name, Address, and Telephone Number of Purchaser / User

Brand, Name, and Grade (octane rating) of Fuel Purchased

Type or Description of Vehicle(s) to be Fueled

Is the vehicle(s) to be fueled registered or licensed for on-road use?

Is the vehicle(s) to be fueled registered or licensed for off-road use?

License Number and VIN, if any, of Vehicle(s) to be Fueled

Name of Sanctioned Racing Event

Date of Event

Name of Racing Association or Sanctioning Body

Racing Association or Sanctioning Body Membership ID Number

Signature under penalty of perjury that the gasoline will be used only in the
above racing vehicle(s) for the above sanctioned racing event

Refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors must also take "reasonable
prudent precautions" and prove that adequate steps have been taken to
limit sales of non-complying racing fuel to racing vehicles, exclusively. CARB
will consider, but is not limited to, the following to be reasonable prudent
precautions: import notifications, production reporting, labeling, record
keeping, distributor training, and providing customer education materials. The
requirement to take reasonable prudent precautions applies to all shipments of
non-complying racing fuel regardless of container size, i.e. railcars, cargo
tanks, barrels, drums, cans, etc. Specifically for importers and in-state
refiners and blenders, in addition to the above, reasonable prudent precautions
should include notification to CARB of the import shipment or in-state
production, and labeling of each batch and container of non-complying racing
gasoline. Refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors may enter into an
enforcement protocol with CARB or modify their existing protocol as
appropriate.

Bulk containers, including but not limited to railcars, cargo tanks, barrels,
drums, and cans, as well as bills of lading, delivery tickets, and invoices for
all shipments of non-complying racing fuel offered or supplied for sale and use
in California must be conspicuously labeled with the following:

Legal For Use ONLY In Competition Racing Vehicles

Not Legal For Use In Any Other Motor Vehicle

Letters or statements included with shipping documents outlining the legal uses
of the racing fuel, instructions sent to distributors and retailers concerning
legal sales and use of racing fuel, or other specific steps outlined in a new
or modified enforcement protocol with CARB Enforcement Division, are additional
ways for refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors to comply with the
taking "reasonable prudent precautions" requirement. CARB will
evaluate whether all of the information discussed in this Advisory #397 is
included in the records. The absence of such records or records that lack the
above information argue against "reasonable and prudent precautions"
having been taken.
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I see nothing bolded, but its more Commiefornia, feel good BS legislation.
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wtf are they serious?!
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Originally Posted by JZ oo7
wtf are they serious?!
Yup, is anyone surprised by this? I mean people have been taking it in the *** for years by CARB, is this really all that shocking?

California is the land of nanny laws, theres more where this came from.
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**** that noise.

this state sux *****.
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So can we just say we are putting it in a dirt bike for some off road pleasure and be done with this? Throw the race fuel in a couple 5gal containers and back to the garage...
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We can't balance the budget, we keep digging deeper and deeper in debt. I love how are laws are probably made up by someone who sits in a office "spacing out" like Peter in Office space till he realizes if he keep spacing out he's gonna get laid off so he thinks to himself "man I really need to propose a new law to at least look like I've been working". How about worrying about something important for a change.
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Originally Posted by RLLYRCR
So can we just say we are putting it in a dirt bike for some off road pleasure and be done with this? Throw the race fuel in a couple 5gal containers and back to the garage...
This is besides the point. If you aren't driving on the street why should it matter? I shouldn't have to sneak one by them to put some race fuel in my car.
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I was speaking more for the people that are tuned on 100. If I do race fuel, it'll be vp109 but im guessing that will be restricted as well.
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Dam that's some bull****.
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I'm going to start a black market for high octane fuel. Thank you CARB for giving me another illicit way to supplement my income.
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I wonder how much longer we will continue to bend over for these utterly useless and pointless laws
I feel like goin out and spending 5 grand on a datsun 510 with NO exhaust and an SR purposely running rich just to make myself feel better
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So this is about leaded fuel, not high octane unleaded. Right?

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WTF?!?! Our gas is complete GARBAGE at 91 Octane and now they want to get rid of the good stuff? F*** THIS STATE and their B.S. LAWS!!!!!
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