ok then I'm gonna have go ahead and filed that under EFFED UP!

 

This is very unfortunate. Yesterday a buddy emailed me saying (so it may not be factual) aparently, the four contractors killed in Iraq were all from Blackwater SecurityCons like Broken Arrow mentioned. Form what I've heard in the press (Blackwater's not talking to the press) and from that email, two of them were former SEALs and one was a former Ranger.

Let's get some input from you guys...

What should our response be. Reflecting on history, what has worked and what has not?

Do we used the pictures taken and hunt down the mob members?

Do we burn the place down or what?

I personally want the heads of those responsible on the Golden Gate and Brooklyn Bridge... as a warning to those entering our coasts.

Damn this is a difficult position...

If the USA popped smoke out of Fallujah then imagine how much chaos would brew without a police power? Gaining control would be exactly like Mogadishu because they'd be "dug-in".

And imagine if we bombed the hell out of Fallujah... the liberal media would have field day and the war would loose it's purpose. It's a catch22... because there's no "one" person resonsible when looking at the pictures. It's the whole damn town.

With that i believe we need to kill those that are blatantly responsible in the photos. We have picutres which means we can properly identify them all and destroy them all in a surgical operation. make an example of them.

Yet another part of me says.. why can't the USA just be bad for once. **** em!

 

Nuclear war.....Maybe I am thinking a bit unrationally....but I honestly feel that I will (unfortuneatly) see a nuke detonated on US soil in my lifetime. Kinda makes you realize the little things that we all take for granted on a daily basis.

-Ted

 

This stuff is really pissing me off.

I mean these weren't military people driving a humvee or some other thing where they might have "some" rational for killing them.

These were contracters that were doing work for them. To help them. They were away from their families serving them. Helping them develop a safer living environment and they killed them in quite possibly the most horrific way to die.

These people make me sick.

I'm very much in support of helping that country get on it's feet and rebuild some of the stuff we blew up and what not. Making them a self sufficient country and a country that can participate in the world economy helps everyone.

My suggestion is to take pictures and video of those that were involved. let the local military and law enforcement take care of it. We are much more lenient and have little control. If we give jourestiction to locals to take care of it for us..they will want to prove something too us and they will all be shot or hung. No trials.

We also have to understand that these people are coming out from under the hand of an oppressor. They've never been able to express themselves or take care of themselves or anything of that nature. Now that they are free to do so..many of them having been born and raised in that environment they don't know what to do. They feel nakid and unprotected..that is why people like sadam stay in power so long. You brake people down and take so much away from them and "give" to them they eventually become codependant on you. Like abusers and their wives. Molesters and their children. It's a horrible horrible side of the human psyche.

Mostly...I just say lets get this done and get the **** out.

 

Interesting view and i believe you're right in that respect. That still doesn't make it justified though because people know right from wrong regardless. These contracters were providing security, food, water etc... they knew they were acting in "good faith"

The people of Fallujah enjoy barbarism so let's give it to them. Declare martial law with a sundown curfew, treat oposition as the enemy by killing them and move the children out of the area so they can be "re-educated" properly.

Since our people killed were helping to deliver food for ****s sake!... cut all food deliveries to them. Apparently, they don't need to eat. Cut the power and limit the available water, and let them live like barbarians.

Force them to surrender of all those responsible and all weapons in exchange for rations and such. Make those responsible suffer an uncomfortable, painful, and barbaric death as possible. The Fallujans seem to like barbarism.

 

I like your plan.

I do agree that it's utter and complete bull and there is NO excuse for it. Just trying to give a different view to shed some light on from where they are coming from. I know the side well. My step dad beat my mom to death in the room next to me and I cried at his funeral. How ****ed up is that.

I thing marial law will probably be one of the first things they do if it isn't already in effect. I'd guess that it has been and they will just tighten up on it.

I like the reducation idea. I think it's a good place to start.

 

damn..

i read about this in the newspaper this morning... kinda a rude awakening

we know stuff like this might happen in war... but when it happens... and being this gruesome... we're just like... and

a lot of interesting points of view on how to react to this...

i'm not some hardcore hippy peace guy but we all want some peace... and i understand everyone is super pissed off because we're trying to help people in iraq...

one of the biggest things people are affraid of is change...
better things come through change... also horrible things, its a type of tradeoff where something is sacrificed

human nature has a long history of sacrifice for the greater good..

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from what i heard about that town was it had wide support for the former dick-tator because he "helped" them... what went on we won't know, but obviously they don't like us

the re-education isn't a bad idea but it is a type of peaceful brainwashing...

i'm not into brainwashing but having some brains washed to see the truth would be good... and what they choose to do is up to them... including the consequences...

one thing we have to remember, when you are out to do some good in the world, you will always have resistance (in varying degrees and forms) and negative criticism..

condolences to the families of their loved ones lost...

sure we want peace... but after that... give 'em hell!

i have confidence as we continue to help... the new iraqi police and security forces that are coming into being now will take care of such things... our hats should come off to those dedicated iraqi people that want a better life and future

*~ over and out ~*

 

drift.... I think the "help" he gave them was letting them grow, produce and distribute top notch opium. If I'm not mistaken that is that cities largest profit maker.

Because of the kind of shadow that sadam casts he has a lot of these supporters. People think he helped them because he gave them things and "protected" him. but what they don't realize is how much money he was taking.

It's obvious to those looking in how much money sadam took and how little the people saw. But from the inside out it's not so easy. Look at any of the people in history that lead the way he leads. Very strong opposers...very strong supporters. North Korea, Russia, Columbia...all places in similar circumstances. People hate and love with the same intensity in these situations.

I just hope we can get this done and get them self sufficient so we can have as little people over there as possible.

And I'd really like to see a lesson learned here but it's not gonna happen. We often stick our nose way to deep into foreign affairs that we have little place being. Vietnam. Somalia. Etc. I'm not saying we're wrong to try and help these people and limit the damage outside of the country that these bastard leaders can do...but I am saying that there is a TON of risk involved in it.

 

The repercussions for violence against Americans has to be dire and full of wrathful vengeance. Setting an example comes to mind. It has to become a distasteful thought to perform acts of agression towards Americans for our enemies.

I do agree with OneManArmy, however. When you decide to stick your hand in the honey jar (for however altruistic a reason one may think we have) be prepared to get stung. It sucks, and shouldn't happen - but it's the reality.
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Im too angry to talk about this ****!

 

somehow, the term "turn into a parking lot" keeps coming back to me...

 

By reacting in a knee-jerk fashion and doing things like cutting off food supplies, you create an even more dangerous atmosphere for all people in the area, whether they are American, Iraqi, civilian, combatant, terrorist, whomever. Also by cutting off food supplies you're also hurting innocents who are just guilty of living in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's a despicable way of treating people and is not an option that a civilized society makes.

Also by bombing Fallujah back to the stone age, what do you hope to accomplish? Killing innocents as well as terrorists and combatants? That's a really good idea, since it worked SO WELL in the Vietnam campaign. There are some violent racists in the south of the United States, why don't we just carpet bomb the cities we think they live in?

But those a$$holes that were photographed in the pictures should be tarred and feathered to be made examples of, I definitely concur with that thought. This type of thing was done in the early days of America, I say bring it back in the most extreme of circumstances. Show them the horror, then try to show them mercy

 

I think the military should test out some of our newfangled weaponry on that little quaint town. It's time to smack them down.