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Old 11-18-2012 | 01:16 AM
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GSP looked good tonight! More aggressive than I've seen him in a LONG time, plus looked like his knee was holding up really well! Condit fought well, but I'm stoked that GSP is BACK!!!
Was just going to ask how that fight went!
What round did GSP win and how did he win?? I saw his training commercials, he looked in top condition.
Old 11-18-2012 | 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Choku Dori
GSP looked good tonight! More aggressive than I've seen him in a LONG time, plus looked like his knee was holding up really well! Condit fought well, but I'm stoked that GSP is BACK!!!
Dont know which fight you were watching but all I saw GSP do was ground hump. Condit earned some respect tonite from me by bringing it but GSP did what he always does which is wrestle a guy down and lay on him. He literally has NO ground and pound till the last 10 seconds in a round. I wish he would agree to a catchweight with Silva so we can see how he does against a guy he cant just throw on the ground and lay on.

I know hes being safe and thats great but seriously Condit did more from the ground than GSP did from the top minus the first round. I cant believe people pay for this ****.
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Originally Posted by Kano
Was just going to ask how that fight went!
What round did GSP win and how did he win?? I saw his training commercials, he looked in top condition.

It went to decision because soon as Condit lit him up, GSP played it safe and shot for takedowns and Condits BJJ was weak as expected but he was hitting GSP with power shots even from the ground.
Old 11-18-2012 | 03:27 AM
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Id like to add that if Silva did the same thing as GSP, like he did with Maia, all you'd hear is boos from the audience and the critics would be all over him but since its GSP its all good.
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I guess all that blood on condits face was pretend.
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All I know is chin shot knock out in 45 seconds. Did not see that coming.


Condit did well. Head kick definitely effected gsp's game plan. He'll be champ eventually... for real.
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GSP can't finish and he had no chin Anderson or Hendricks he's done
Old 11-18-2012 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
Dont know which fight you were watching but all I saw GSP do was ground hump. Condit earned some respect tonite from me by bringing it but GSP did what he always does which is wrestle a guy down and lay on him. He literally has NO ground and pound till the last 10 seconds in a round. I wish he would agree to a catchweight with Silva so we can see how he does against a guy he cant just throw on the ground and lay on.

I know hes being safe and thats great but seriously Condit did more from the ground than GSP did from the top minus the first round. I cant believe people pay for this ****.
Props to Condit than, but I don't really blame GSP on whatever tactic he decided to use this fight, its kinda rim having to come off a major Knee injury! hopefully there will be some better performances from him later!
Oh and I would pay anything to watch Gsp get worked by Anderson haha.
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
Dont know which fight you were watching but all I saw GSP do was ground hump. Condit earned some respect tonite from me by bringing it but GSP did what he always does which is wrestle a guy down and lay on him. He literally has NO ground and pound till the last 10 seconds in a round. I wish he would agree to a catchweight with Silva so we can see how he does against a guy he cant just throw on the ground and lay on.

I know hes being safe and thats great but seriously Condit did more from the ground than GSP did from the top minus the first round. I cant believe people pay for this ****.
Dude, I've been one of the loudest detractors of GSP's lay and gay prior to his ACL tear, but he came out strong last night -- if you didn't see that 2nd round elbow from guard that slashed Condit open, if you didn't see standup combinations all night from GSP to setup his takedowns, if you didn't see GSP's active guard passing and position advancement after every takedown, I really suggest you educate yourself on the intricacies of grappling. That was an exciting fight and mad props to Condit for pushing GSP, but GSP put on a dominant display even though he couldn't earn a stoppage (that's why I give lots of credit to Condit, too; well, that and his standup wasn't half bad, especially that head kick in the 3rd haha).

Seriously, if you didn't enjoy that fight and you weren't impressed with both GSP and Condit's performance, you need to go back to watching Kimbo Slice in the backyard.
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Originally Posted by wrxBRAH
It went to decision because soon as Condit lit him up, GSP played it safe and shot for takedowns and Condits BJJ was weak as expected but he was hitting GSP with power shots even from the ground.
Condit's bjj is weak... lol! That's funny.
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I guess all that blood on condits face was pretend.
One elbow and that was it. After that he did nothing. Soon as the fight got hard, it was constant shooting for the tds.

Originally Posted by Choku Dori
Dude, I've been one of the loudest detractors of GSP's lay and gay prior to his ACL tear, but he came out strong last night -- if you didn't see that 2nd round elbow from guard that slashed Condit open, if you didn't see standup combinations all night from GSP to setup his takedowns, if you didn't see GSP's active guard passing and position advancement after every takedown, I really suggest you educate yourself on the intricacies of grappling. That was an exciting fight and mad props to Condit for pushing GSP, but GSP put on a dominant display even though he couldn't earn a stoppage (that's why I give lots of credit to Condit, too; well, that and his standup wasn't half bad, especially that head kick in the 3rd haha).

Seriously, if you didn't enjoy that fight and you weren't impressed with both GSP and Condit's performance, you need to go back to watching Kimbo Slice in the backyard.
GSP has shown that he has stand up but he refuses to use it and always shoots for the TD. I have no problem with guys trying to advance position but he never got side control or full mount all while getting lit up from the bottom. Hell Condit was trying for subs the entire time and almost pulled two off. Outside of one elbow that caused the split, there was nothing. Too bad MMA scoring is terrible and gives the man on top all the credit. I still have no idea where you saw all the aggression. It was the same boring GSP of old.

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Props to Condit than, but I don't really blame GSP on whatever tactic he decided to use this fight, its kinda rim having to come off a major Knee injury! hopefully there will be some better performances from him later!
Oh and I would pay anything to watch Gsp get worked by Anderson haha.
He said if his knee wasnt 100%, he wouldn't have fought and Condit gave him a few leg kicks. Its just Greg Jackson MMA (run or lnp). Hey it works but kills MMA for the casual fan which is majority of their PPV buys.
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UFC 154 results: Georges St. Pierre vs Carlos Condit Fight Metric report tells the tale - MMAmania.com
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It shows that GSP had all the takedowns (7/8) and had more body shots which is to be expected when you're lying on top of your opponent for 18mins out of 25mins. Now if your GnP is good and you're looking to finish the fight, you also land more shots to the head which wasnt the case here. Condit landed more power shots and most of those were to GSPs head. Also expected since he was working from guard and was very active. GSP attempted to pass guard 8 times and was neutralized 6 times. What I find weird is fightmetric didnt show the 2 attempts by Condit to get a submission.

Typical GSP fight. Give Bones or AS 18 mins on top of an opponent and its almost a guaranteed KO. GSP will go down as the greatest decision WW of all time. He simply lacks that killer instinct or aggression to finish fights.

Ofcourse I could've read the entire fight metric chart wrong in which case I take back everything I said.
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I don't completely disagree with you. I'm actually not the hugest GSP fan. I will admit that he is one of the best UFC fighters of all time. Just because he knows how to play the game. He is a tremendous athlete.

I'm actually a long time condit fan... back to WEC days. The dude is legit and he's a killer. That head kick shows how good of a chin GSP actually does have. Fighting through that was sick.

I just think that you're undervaluing the striking that GSP did do... the jabs for one. He has developed probably the best jab in mma. Or close to it.

Take downs are not easy and that percentage is even harder. That means that his strikes were doing what he intended them to do.

And I think you're undervaluing his BJJ. He's like Hughes. Not the greatest offensive BJJ but his defensive BJJ is tremendous. Condit is actually super legit. He's a solid brown belt and I'd venture to guess that he'll have his black very soon. And not a gift horse black.

So I don't disagree. But I do think he dominated most of the fight and looked pretty good. He was smart... he saw the way condit fought diaz (which pissed me off) and made sure that he could not do that against him.

As for the match up with the spider. IF it happens Silva is at a tremendous advantage just on size alone. So if he can win that fight it will show just how padded Silva's fight record has been recently.

I personally think it's a silly fight. Silva should fight jones but he's scared.

I think GSP has a couple more fights in him and then he'll retire. Condit will get his belt legit one way or another. There are quite a few guys in that class that rip.

And I think you are off on the metric reading... I believe he had 3 passes in just the first 2 take downs. I believe he had 8 successful and 6 blocked or something like that.

I personally think the judges that gave gsp the third round are retarded.

But I can see where they would... he owned the first half and had the take downs and the pass. But the head kick and the finish should have tipped it to condit or been a 10-10 round at best.

I think the first 3 rounds gsp mixed it up well. The head kick in 3 really changed it up. I honestly believe round 4 he had to do what he did. He probably wasn't all the way back from it yet.

This is one of the few decisions I pretty much agree with.

I am not a huge fan of the lay and pray. But I don't think it was really lay and pray except maybe the 4th round. I think condit is just that good off his back. I GUARANTEE you that 70% of his training for this fight was on his back. And he was good going in to this training cycle. His BJJ is solid and his back striking game is solid. GSP isn't your really a finisher like some of the other guys... like munoz. But he's no slouch.



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