turfshark

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age is certainly a factor, but i think the $ plays a big part as well.

i had been driving beaters since i was about 13. when i was in hs i would occaisionally get to drive my brother's vette or iroc. other than the occaisonal burnouts, i never drove crazy or would even dream about racing it. why? b/c if anything ever happened to it and i didn't die, my brother would kill me himself!

if your parents can afford two sti's for their boys, they basically have a"disposable income." which means the toys they buy thier kids also become disposable, b/c if they break them, mommy and daddy can buy them another one, so why take care of it?

don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the family's loss. but don't buy your kid a gun if you think they are going to play russian ruoulette with it.

joltdudeuc

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joltdudeuc

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Hamilton 2004- I remember. I was glad it just a bumper/lip

beanolo

theres pics? how come i cant view em?

Bolshoi125

lucky kid!! even my parents didn't give me a wedding gift on my wedding!!!

Travis10

disposable income is what people use to pay for bills and food, not luxuries like nice cars,

a few things...

1. isnt nuclear energy already pretty clean, its jsut the social stigma that goes with it.
2. it all depends on the kid, i bought my own twin turbo 300zx, and i have done fine with it, i would think that a 300zx would be a little bit more advanced than an sti, as far as how much skill a driver needs...

wombatsauce

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No, disposable income is money you don't need for bills and food that you can just throw away.

Nuclear energy? What?

You said you paid for your car - that makes all the difference in the world. Earning the money for something, having the money and then spending it does something to a person that makes them have more self respect, and care for the item they bought. Spoiled kids who don't know what I am talking about will probably tell me I am wrong, and that's fine - I feel sorry for them and hope they get it some day.

Another thing to consider is that it's important to ease into things, to take proper gradients. If a person gets an STi or [other very capable powerful and good handling car] it will be much harder for them to learn the dynamics of driving. With a lame, weak, not so powerful car - they will learn skills that are NEEDED in order to have a safe driving career. If you learn to drive in a very capable car and are not careful, the first corner you take in an older not-so-good-handling car, you are gonna learn that something is very different. The car will not handily take the turn like the car you are used to, and it will do things (lose traction, over/understeer) that you have never experienced before. This is what I am talking about. Same thing at the track. The worst thing to do is show up for the first time with a modded car on race tires. It is imperative that you start out on street tires so that you can hear them squeal and see what it's like to reach your handling and traction thresholds as you never have before on the street. If they start out on race tires, they will never reach those thresholds until one day when they happen to get faster and they will be forced to learn what should take thousands of miles of experience in maybe a split second. You cannot expect a human to do that. It's not about evil parents or spoiled kiddies, it's about proper methods of learning. Over 100mph cars start behaving differently, and this situation increases exponentially for every mph faster. Aerodynamics, obstacles, vision/sight distance, inertia, and the road surface are now the biggest players here and frankly the driver just doesn't know how to handle it. It's a sad situation for sure.

Think about it, 30 minutes in a parking lot with a 1992 240SX or a 1991 Prelude will teach you more than you could ever learn for hours with an STi. The STi would handle too well and in order to get it close enough to it's limits, you would hit a curb and die. However if you mastered it with the older cheap car and then tried it with the STi, you would go in with a lot more knowledge, and probably be able to handle what went on - because it would be just 'more' of what you already had. Maybe that is a bad analogy, but I just wanted to explain what I am trying to say.

evsoul

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+1 where the hell are they.

illusion

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It's both the parent's and the kid's fault. I saved from the time I was 14 till I was 16 and bought a 52 split window bug. Slow as molasses, but great for a 16yo. My stepdad bought me a a bunch of stuff for my birthday so not to be outdone my dad bought me a hurricane 1000. A month later I was sitting in the hospital with 3 pins in my knee, about 60 stitches total, casts everywhere, and thanking god I was at least bright enough to have a brain bucket on.

Kids are kids, let them get some wheel time before you buy them a fast car.

Roo

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Parents job description: included teaching right from wrong, good from bad, responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming others, and making sure that other people weren't endangered by the actions of their children.

^^That was back when I was growing up. I got the belt when I took my parents' truck without permission. I drove carefully, didn't get into an accident, did everything just right, but didn't have a license at the time, and wasn't insured. After the belt, I had to sit and listen to them go through WHY it was such a bad idea, including the possibility of ruining the family if I had gotten into an accident.

I didn't drive without a license....from that point on.

derekthecynic

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I know a kid thats 16 and is on his 4th car which is an 06 sti.

I crashed my first car when I was 16....mr2turbo. I don't think people that age should have fast cars

cohlineman

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"Another thing to consider is that it's important to ease into things, to take proper gradients. If a person gets an STi or [other very capable powerful and good handling car] it will be much harder for them to learn the dynamics of driving. With a lame, weak, not so powerful car - they will learn skills that are NEEDED in order to have a safe driving career. "




The gist of these words is so important, not only with regards to cars but for everything in life.....




at 16, the first long term sexual relationship i had was with a 24 year old blonde goddess who squirted when she found her happy place ....


2 marriages and a whole lot of promiscuous encounters and I still haven't found one that drove so good since she dumped my butt so many years ago. If only I had learned on a beater maybe I wouldn't be a "beater" now.

06scooby

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im just 17 nd my parents wouldnt buy me the 06 sti because insurance would be too much and the 06 sti's were really pricy but the old ones were just too beat...

brucelee

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I didn't get my first car till I was 18... 91 Honda accord for like $4000. It was super pimp for me back then. Ah, the memories of the roomy seats.

brucelee

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Did you really require an STi that badly? Why not a regular WRX? Hell, I think a standard WRX is far too much for a typical 17yo to handle (Not saying that you are the typical male).