Talk me out of buying an EVO IX !!
02-20-2007, 05:33 PM
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who cares. if you have the money and you want an evo ix then get it. who are we to tell you what you should or shouldn't get. in the end it's all about what you want that makes you happy.
02-20-2007, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Onizuka
Evo's are tyte, I'll admit it again, and I'm an STi owner.
02-20-2007, 05:44 PM
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the STi exhibits a ton of body roll. I dunno about you, but it is a bit scary to me trying to hang onto the wheel as you are being pushed into the passenger seat as you turn a corner at 70mph since the seats dont do ****. Factor in the squishy steering feel and it simply doesnt inspire confidence in holding a line (even if it does hold that line just fine). With the evo, you KNOW it will hold its line and you know exactly where the car will go if you point it there. The sti is much more unpredictable
The evo is better in the handling, power, steering, and driving feel aspect in my mind. Those are pretty big factors for a performance car..don't ya think?
I could care less about the defi cluster and 6-disc player, although the 6-speed in the STi is a gem
The evo is better in the handling, power, steering, and driving feel aspect in my mind. Those are pretty big factors for a performance car..don't ya think?
I could care less about the defi cluster and 6-disc player, although the 6-speed in the STi is a gem
02-20-2007, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ucbsti
tis true..but all cars will have bugs when hitting high HP numbers
The main issues for the evo are the clutch and TC. As long as you dont drive like an idiot, you will see good life out of both, with the MR 6-speed having some issues as well (you can also ask Bryan@GST about those)
The main issues for the evo are the clutch and TC. As long as you dont drive like an idiot, you will see good life out of both, with the MR 6-speed having some issues as well (you can also ask Bryan@GST about those)
I was wondering about more reliability issues like Chrysler, Range Rover, or VW.
02-20-2007, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chimchimm5
Oh ok. Kind of like the "subaru glass tranny" thing?
I was wondering about more reliability issues like Chrysler, Range Rover, or VW.
I was wondering about more reliability issues like Chrysler, Range Rover, or VW.
02-20-2007, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by STiYLIN
Haha read my first comment in this thread (the one where it says the to get the evo because it is a great car). I never said which was better, just laughed at dude when he says crazy stuff like "STi's are scary at speed" and how the evo is better in every aspect. Who's the fanboi? Hahaha.
while your opinions are based on some guy named seranin's experiences. i still dont get why you think he's biased
02-20-2007, 05:55 PM
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I might be an Evo owner today if I didn't get FANTASTIC service from Subaru and DEPLORABLE service from Mitsubishi.
The Evo might be the better car 100 times over, but I'd never know it...as I wasn't allowed to test drive one. I absolutely love my STI, wouldn't trade it for anything.
The Evo might be the better car 100 times over, but I'd never know it...as I wasn't allowed to test drive one. I absolutely love my STI, wouldn't trade it for anything.
02-20-2007, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ucbsti
the STi exhibits a ton of body roll. I dunno about you, but it is a bit scary to me trying to hang onto the wheel as you are being pushed into the passenger seat as you turn a corner at 70mph since the seats dont do ****.
02-20-2007, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Yin
^ what? again, its a comparison: "The sti is scary unstable at speed, where as the evo feels more stable, neutral, and planted"
while your opinions are based on some guy named seranin's experiences. i still dont get why you think he's biased
while your opinions are based on some guy named seranin's experiences. i still dont get why you think he's biased
I think his opinion is biased because he makes crazy statements that are untrue. Do you understand that?
02-20-2007, 06:03 PM
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Let's be honest here and give credit to where credit is due. The STi has VERY little in terms of overall "quality" over the EVO IX, and none in terms of performance potential.
There's definately no lack of "torque" in the EVO's 2.0L motor VS the STi's 2.5. My personal car put down 310whp and 310ft/lbs of torque on a Dyno Dynamics dyno with only two mods. Turboback exhaust and an intake after it was tuned. The average STi with TBE and flash puts down significantly less power and torque than that.
The EVO also has a cast iron block, which obviously will obviously be a better platform to build upon compared to the aluminum block found in the STi. Also the inline 4 configuration the EVO has will spool large turbos much faster than a Subaru. You can argue it sounds "crappy" compared to the Subaru Boxer rumble, but have you heard how a Subaru sounds with an equal length manifold? Sounds just as ricer'ish if you ask me.
Build quality. Face it, both cars weren't made for luxury anyway. So that's a moot point. I've owned both a Subaru and an EVO, and both interiors look equally ****ty when compared to my BMW M5 or the Porsche 996 that I daily drive now.
That being said, the EVO is the performance bargain of the century. Subaru just comes up a little short in certain areas. But if only Subaru would start importing the Spec C or S204, etc versions of the STi, then maybe the playing field would be a little bit more level.
Just my .02
There's definately no lack of "torque" in the EVO's 2.0L motor VS the STi's 2.5. My personal car put down 310whp and 310ft/lbs of torque on a Dyno Dynamics dyno with only two mods. Turboback exhaust and an intake after it was tuned. The average STi with TBE and flash puts down significantly less power and torque than that.
The EVO also has a cast iron block, which obviously will obviously be a better platform to build upon compared to the aluminum block found in the STi. Also the inline 4 configuration the EVO has will spool large turbos much faster than a Subaru. You can argue it sounds "crappy" compared to the Subaru Boxer rumble, but have you heard how a Subaru sounds with an equal length manifold? Sounds just as ricer'ish if you ask me.
Build quality. Face it, both cars weren't made for luxury anyway. So that's a moot point. I've owned both a Subaru and an EVO, and both interiors look equally ****ty when compared to my BMW M5 or the Porsche 996 that I daily drive now.
That being said, the EVO is the performance bargain of the century. Subaru just comes up a little short in certain areas. But if only Subaru would start importing the Spec C or S204, etc versions of the STi, then maybe the playing field would be a little bit more level.
Just my .02
02-20-2007, 06:04 PM
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Yeah..I drive the same route from home every single day. My comparisons are apples to apples considering I navigated the same exact turns/corners/sweepers 2x as much in the STi than I have so far in the evo, its not some random test drive comparison
*shrugs*
Like I said, these are just my thoughts, I figured since Ive logged quite some time in both cars my opinion would be a bit more valid than others, but if STilyn is convinced im just a biased fanboi than so be it, I dont need to e-race anyone or proof my points any further
The OP asked to be talked out of buying an evo, so I'll help out
Dont buy the evo, its far too fast for the street, the steering is so twitchy you will end up 2 lanes over if you sneeze. The recaros hug you so much, if you are sporting any love handles you wont like them. If you have a short gf, she will complain that her head hits the holes for the harnesses and that the ride is very stiff, not to mention she will ask what all the whizzing sound is when you get on it.
In addition to this, the stock exhaust is pretty loud and you are likely to get pulled over for it, the stock tires are so sticky but only last 10-12k when driven hard. Plus there isnt any fancy cluster or 6-disc in dash CD player, however your eyes will always be glued on the road due to insane speed capabilities and said twitchy steering, so even if you had those luxuries, you would never be able to appreciate them.
Factor in the ease to hit 300whp+ with minimal mods, you will be burning holes in your pocket in no time to replace the clutch, possibly the TC, and lots of gas since you wont be able to control yourself. Not to mention the ability to run uber wide tires just compels one to slap on some 17x9s and run 255 or 275 wide tires all around. These are very expensive and can lead to neck injury when taking corners too quickly
In short...dont buy it, or it will quickly turn into a money pit once you see what other bay area evos are doing
*shrugs*
Like I said, these are just my thoughts, I figured since Ive logged quite some time in both cars my opinion would be a bit more valid than others, but if STilyn is convinced im just a biased fanboi than so be it, I dont need to e-race anyone or proof my points any further
The OP asked to be talked out of buying an evo, so I'll help out
Dont buy the evo, its far too fast for the street, the steering is so twitchy you will end up 2 lanes over if you sneeze. The recaros hug you so much, if you are sporting any love handles you wont like them. If you have a short gf, she will complain that her head hits the holes for the harnesses and that the ride is very stiff, not to mention she will ask what all the whizzing sound is when you get on it.
In addition to this, the stock exhaust is pretty loud and you are likely to get pulled over for it, the stock tires are so sticky but only last 10-12k when driven hard. Plus there isnt any fancy cluster or 6-disc in dash CD player, however your eyes will always be glued on the road due to insane speed capabilities and said twitchy steering, so even if you had those luxuries, you would never be able to appreciate them.
Factor in the ease to hit 300whp+ with minimal mods, you will be burning holes in your pocket in no time to replace the clutch, possibly the TC, and lots of gas since you wont be able to control yourself. Not to mention the ability to run uber wide tires just compels one to slap on some 17x9s and run 255 or 275 wide tires all around. These are very expensive and can lead to neck injury when taking corners too quickly
In short...dont buy it, or it will quickly turn into a money pit once you see what other bay area evos are doing
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02-20-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurk
Build quality. Face it, both cars weren't made for luxury anyway. So that's a moot point. I've owned both a Subaru and an EVO, and both interiors look equally ****ty when compared to my BMW M5 or the Porsche 996 that I daily drive now.
If you are worried about the interior, you should not be looking at either, and instead at the G35 and the maxipad it comes with