I don't think they'd let you get away with that. First if they saw you with a gun they would immediately shoot you. Second, if you were to shoot a officer and survive/be arrested, you'd be buried in legal fees and charged with something. The prosecution would make you look like a criminal and you'll likely face jail time for shooting an officer. I mean a swat officer obviously looks like a swat officer.. I'm pretty sure it'll say SWAT or POLICE on their vests or something.. So what would your defense even be? Whether their warrant was valid or not doesn't really matter anymore if you shoot at them. Plus I'm sure they announce that they are cops before/during coming in to avoid these types of situations. So I hope you're joking when you say you're willing to use legal force to defend yourself against swat teams entering your house. You're better off letting them do their thing and be on their way for a wrong warrant, then sue later.

Not like you'll ever make it to your gun anyway after a flashbang unless you carry on you at home lol

 

1)No, the SC has made it very clear citizens who shoot an officer in self defence (in the case of a wrongful entry of their property) are immune from prosecution.
2)No knock entry is illegal in this state (thank whatever tiny favors there are) however even knock/entry is done rapidly.
3)LEO have too much power, are too quick to shoot, and too ready to kill inocent civilians. They have been taught over and over again their job isn't to protect life, but to 'go home safe' and do jsut that.
4)Yes, I will use legal force, up to and including lethal force, to protect my life, my property and my loved ones.

Unlike you my friend, I am not willing to just stand by while my rights are trampled and "sue later". We are protected by a constution, know it, live it.

*note* and if they "just shoot me" even if I have a firearm, and the warent is invalid/wrong house, then its murder, and the DA has no discression and must prosecute the officers that fired their weapons as such. Its high time we, the people REMIND leo's they are not here to be judge and jury, only to enforce the law as writen.

 

Well considering that the legality is using legal force. The moment they enter, expecting you to be armed in one form or another (due to false identification, or even as a regular armed citizen). If you fire at officers, the only way you'll end up in court is you killing all the officers. They will not talk after a shot has been fired, even if you yell at them for warrant. Sure, you're protected to kill upon false entry. The reality is that you vs SWAT, even if you manage to kill a few, they will then ID you assuming their falsely identification was correct. Then you become a killer and before long they're raiding/coming in after you and what? You'll be on the phone with 911 trying to plead your case, while 911 is technically outside?

 

Somebody watched way too many Transporter movies.

One internet tough guy against a SWAT team? Would you also hold off a SEAL team and maybe even the Decepticons too?

Cool story bro. Yea they are totally going to say "oh crap this guy is pwning us" and naturally, they will then go "our bad, wrong house, have a good day sir" after you made some loud noises at them.

F.a.n.t.a.s.y l.a.n.d

 

You kinda don't get how things go down in a shootout do you? A prime example is the branch devedian(sp) in waco TX shootout. DEA went in, first 2 guys in the door/window got shot, the rest pulled back fast...why, because they have wounded and are facing a entrenched foe.

Its not like you see in the movies, no one is standing out in the open blasting away like Arnie in the jungle.

So take my house, there is only 2 ways into the house, and both force a person into a narrow hallway, that you would have to single stack in, with 3 rooms and heavy walls/doors at the end of said hall. No access to rooms from outside (too high up), so, all one has to do is unload a magazine down the hall as fast as you can pull a trigger and your "super military swat guys" are going to pull back and regroup because now you have the tactical advantage.

More than likely they would go with CS in the windows to flush you out.

You watch too many movies/FPS games kid. This ain't Battlefield 3, its RL, and people who die don't get to rez again.

 

Lol at kid comment...

You are right, this isn't a video game or the internetz.

You are totally going to shoot at a SWAT team, possibly killing one of them and they are totally going to just go "oh sorry, wrong house, our bad" and your life will totally continue to be the same as it was before they came into your house.

 

While I agree that you have the right to defend your home and while I'm sure that you of all people have a better plan than most to defend it, I don't think you can count on things unfolding exactly the way you have imagined. People do crazy things when they are under fire, and police don't usually react very nicely to being shot at.

Your example of Waco is kinda funny. Sure they shot some officers, sure they held off an assault, but six of those crazy Branch Davidian's were killed in the raid. Need I remind you the rest were burned alive?

Oakland swat took second place in the 2010 "Urban Shield" competition a year after they lost officers during a botched raid. A good example of a technically sound SWAT team that still made mistakes. Yes they lost officers, but they also got the guy.

So yes, real life isn't like the movies or video games. However, in real life you can be sure that when shooting at the police, you might take a few down with you, but they're gonna get ya...

 

So what's the plan for dealing with the CS gas? I assume you have gas masks for everyone?

Once you repel the initial assault and cause significant damage to the enemy..sorry, I mean police, what's next? Obviously all three of you guys go to the gun-safe and start cracking out the real hardware....50 cals etc..? I'm assuming at this point you need to arm the explosives that are permanently rigged 'just in case' around the house and retreat to the reinforced bunker before you detonate the main charge...then escape in the confusion after the blast?

Come on Dre, you gotta have a plan for escape and I for one want to hear it. Fascinating you are.

 

I have two for every member of my household. They are also rated to Bio, chemical, and nuclear. Is that weird? I don't think so.

 

So, can we close this thread already? Obviously there is no debating with an individual who thinks they are invincible and can take down members of a highly trained law enforcement group. We had an incident were a suspect shot an officer through his front door and fatally wounded the officer. Needless to say, the suspect baracaded himself in his home and his *** was burned alive in his home while the fire department stood by and watched. Point is, you aim a weapon at an officer they are trained to overcome what ever resistance needed to apprehend you and that includes up too lethal force. What kills me is individuals like you who cry out the LEO's have too much power yet are first to call us when you need us! I can promise you, if I was working a beat in your town and entered your home and you had a weapon, damn right I would return fire

 

haha yessss

 

Kool-aid man approved.

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I take it this is your first time conversing with unbearable? Welcome, enjoy your stay.

 

Yea, or just move it to the random off topic thread. Not trying to pick any sides from LEO to exercising your rights. I don't really care, the chances of it happening are slim to none... thinking about millions of users with the internet and how often raids happen.

Only thing you can really take away here is securing your network... tons of douches out there.

Oh and off topic note, the ruling on the supreme court Obamacare thing shows the incompetence of our checks and balances. They are supposed to either say , yay or nay, not rewrite a bill to "make it" fall in lines with the constitution. The supreme court is the law of the land, and have the stamp of approval, and for them to pass legislation by REWRITING parts of it and doing it for congress about some vague tax/penalty or whatever the **** you want to call the "fee" for not having health care and stating it's "too low it doesn't matter" is utter failure. The fact that their answer is confusing, the fee/tax/penalty is confusing should have had the bill thrown out, and the fact that now you're starting to tax the American people makes me wonder how far do we continue to let our freedom gets stripped.

I mean after all income tax is like 30%+ of your income if you fall in those lines, that's pretty "high" in my regard.
Whenever you state something as vague as, "it's too low" or "not high enough" the question that comes in is... WHEN IS IT high enough/low enough?
I'm all for the next revolution. Looks like congress thinks they can bill us for... well nothing?

"You don't have this item, therefore we charge you this amount." Lets make it sound stupid now
"You don't buy your vegetables and spend at least $50 on veggies per month and contributes to obesity, therefore we charge you $25 bucks" then that leads to...
"You don't buy your vegetables and spend at least $50 on veggies per month and contributes to obesity, therefore we charge you $250 bucks" so on and so forth...

When is significant... significant enough?