SF Officer Opens Fire In Road Rage Incident
12-26-2008, 08:12 AM
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I find it interesting that all of you who condemn the actions of the cop still have yet to address my ON TOPIC question. You can argue semantics of how crooked cops are, and how a few cops abuse their power, and beat each other around with questions about each others' maturity, but no one seems capable of addressing my question.
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If he was going to need to cover his a** so much, and do all this lying in order to make himself look good and feel good about what he did, why the F*** did he even bother to call the CHP in the first place? Let the criminal (the Ford truck) call and complain about someone shooting at them (if their truck was hit). Why would this cop bring all of this down on himself if he didn't have to, or simply doesn't anyone believe that he's an upstanding person will moral convictions doing what he was trained to do?
12-26-2008, 08:19 AM
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I find it interesting that all of you who condemn the actions of the cop still have yet to address my ON TOPIC question. You can argue semantics of how crooked cops are, and how a few cops abuse their power, and beat each other around with questions about each others' maturity, but no one seems capable of addressing my question.
To answer your question: in the event that he did do something wrong, he would make every attempt to cover his tracks. Giving the appearance of following protocol is the first step in a process of CYA, as evidenced by you taking special note of him contacting CHP. Remember, LEO aren't stupid, and they are intimately familiar with how the system works, which can afford them an advantage when they abuse their position.
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12-26-2008, 11:00 AM
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Like I said originally, if the officer did something wrong, he should be punished. One less corrupt officer, or "pig," is a good thing. Take note of the qualifier: IF he did something wrong.
To answer your question: in the event that he did do something wrong, he would make every attempt to cover his tracks. Giving the appearance of following protocol is the first step in a process of CYA, as evidenced by you taking special note of him contacting CHP. Remember, LEO aren't stupid, and they are intimately familiar with how the system works, which can afford them an advantage when they abuse their position.
To answer your question: in the event that he did do something wrong, he would make every attempt to cover his tracks. Giving the appearance of following protocol is the first step in a process of CYA, as evidenced by you taking special note of him contacting CHP. Remember, LEO aren't stupid, and they are intimately familiar with how the system works, which can afford them an advantage when they abuse their position.
Do you suspect we'll ever see the "criminal" come forward? Doubt it.
If I were the cop, and I knew I'd done something against policy, I'd simply let it go. It's obvious to most that if "criminal" brandishes a gun and somebody takes out a gun and fires at him, "criminal" isn't going to stick around and get a whole bunch of information regarding the person.
Best case, no one's the wiser, because "criminal" doesn't file a report - for obvious reasons. Worst case, "criminal" files a report of some random guy in a car shooting at him. Another unsolved "freeway shooting"...
...all the while, officer wouldn't be implicated in anything.
Your reasoning doesn't quite hold up to scrutiny.
12-26-2008, 11:05 AM
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Ok anyone else do this and you would be in jail right now. No reason for a sworn peace officer to pull such a move. These guys are trained to deal with this stuff day in and day out. Thats like taking a gun call and just showing up and shooting instead of dealing with it. He could have hit the brakes and dialed 911. If he stopped and they shot at him well then its fair game. I think he was being a little over the top.
Im sorry but everyone knows if you point a gun @ a cop (uniform or not) they will fire @ u.
12-26-2008, 11:40 AM
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i think the officers story is true given the driver of the truck didnt call in the indecent himself.
i know if i was randomly fired at on the freeway i would have speed off/slowed and called the cops...
i know if i was randomly fired at on the freeway i would have speed off/slowed and called the cops...
12-26-2008, 02:39 PM
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Do you have any idea what a police state is? Have you ever spent time in a police state? Or even abroad? Go spend some time in China and get back to me on that. To be monitored 24/7, to be worried to speak your true feelings and thoughts in public without fear of retribution or persecution. Or ****, how about any country run by corrupt politico and a corrupt police force. You ever had to pay off a "police officer" because you had no other option?
Then get back to me on how much freedom and rights you have here in the USA. And what amazing police men and women, that put their lives on the line day in and day out to protect our own rights and lives, we have here in the United States.
12-26-2008, 06:45 PM
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1)There are only 836,787 sworn LEO's in the US at any given time. Think about that, we have a population of 301,139,947 as of '07. That means there is one officer per 360(rounded up) Americans. You want to talk about out numbered.(1)
2)57 officers lost their lives in the line of duty in just 2007 alone.(2)
(1)http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/lawenf.htm
(2)http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2007/f...slykilled.html
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2) in 2005 53 officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty, during that same year 364 people were murdered by officers.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ardus05.pdf
Oh and on topic I think the only thing officer did wrong was not making the hit. With a little more luck we could have had these guys off the street before they decided to shoot at some family that accidentally cut them off cause the missed their exit on vacation.
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12-26-2008, 08:54 PM
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12-26-2008, 09:29 PM
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im amazed at how many people are quick to hate on this cop this country ect ect...
have we heard a peep from these A---HOLE that were in the truck...? i wonder why.
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12-26-2008, 10:48 PM
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There are a few things that seem weird about this story...
#1 If you are defending your life... it would be a lot damn easier (especially on a freeway) if you just broke hard, rather than tried to shoot a gun while driving.
#2 Why the hell do they say "weapon" instead of "firearm" or "gun" or even "bow n arrow" or some projectile weapon?
#3 As rigorous as it is to obtain the "Blue" they wear, it doesn't mean all officers follow the rules. There are numerous amounts of corrupted cops who have been caught doing something illegal or abusing their powers. I'm sure there are enough cops still getting away with illegal activities.
#4 Lets say the officer did kill the guys in the F150. That would have been a great story to see a wrecked F150 on the news, probably on fire, people dead, closed some parts of the bridge. Then the cop will have to say that he defended his life (but obviously no witnesses, he killed 'em) and without one scratch on his own car.
#1 If you are defending your life... it would be a lot damn easier (especially on a freeway) if you just broke hard, rather than tried to shoot a gun while driving.
#2 Why the hell do they say "weapon" instead of "firearm" or "gun" or even "bow n arrow" or some projectile weapon?
#3 As rigorous as it is to obtain the "Blue" they wear, it doesn't mean all officers follow the rules. There are numerous amounts of corrupted cops who have been caught doing something illegal or abusing their powers. I'm sure there are enough cops still getting away with illegal activities.
#4 Lets say the officer did kill the guys in the F150. That would have been a great story to see a wrecked F150 on the news, probably on fire, people dead, closed some parts of the bridge. Then the cop will have to say that he defended his life (but obviously no witnesses, he killed 'em) and without one scratch on his own car.
12-26-2008, 10:53 PM
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I don't mind the government giving things another look to verify that people who need help are getting the help they need or people who are convicted were supposed to be convicted. But I'd like the same thing done with everyone including the officers we're supposed to trust.
You can trust the guy in blue but I won't. I've been on this planet long enough to know that the guys on top, or in blue in this case, have the ability to dodge a few things that would be demeaning to their records.
You can trust the guy in blue but I won't. I've been on this planet long enough to know that the guys on top, or in blue in this case, have the ability to dodge a few things that would be demeaning to their records.
12-26-2008, 11:01 PM
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I haven't found any updated news stories yet about the incident. Still looking though.
12-26-2008, 11:18 PM
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The story in the original posts says "brandished a weapon," but the story I posted shortly after is from another news station and it says it was a handgun. I think at that point the type of weapon really hasn't been confirmed.
I haven't found any updated news stories yet about the incident. Still looking though.
I haven't found any updated news stories yet about the incident. Still looking though.
12-27-2008, 12:48 AM
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There are a few things that seem weird about this story...
#1 If you are defending your life... it would be a lot damn easier (especially on a freeway) if you just broke hard, rather than tried to shoot a gun while driving.Tactical training would subscribe to the opinion that if you slow down, or stop your vehicle, it is that much more difficult to get out of a given situation. It allows your attacker the opportunity to control your movement - which could be a very bad thing. In executive protection driver training, one is taught how to run roadblocks, and keep moving at all costs, not slow down or stop.
#2 Why the hell do they say "weapon" instead of "firearm" or "gun" or even "bow n arrow" or some projectile weapon?They say weapon because they don't want to specify and later be proven to be mis-quoting the officer, or anyone involved with the investigation.
#3 As rigorous as it is to obtain the "Blue" they wear, it doesn't mean all officers follow the rules. There are numerous amounts of corrupted cops who have been caught doing something illegal or abusing their powers. I'm sure there are enough cops still getting away with illegal activities.So, can YOU answer my original question? Why did the cop, if he's so CORRUPT and GUILTY as several people make him out to be, why did he call it in, and not let it simply be another case of unsolved "road rage"?
#4 Lets say the officer did kill the guys in the F150. That would have been a great story to see a wrecked F150 on the news, probably on fire, people dead, closed some parts of the bridge. Then the cop will have to say that he defended his life (but obviously no witnesses, he killed 'em) and without one scratch on his own car.If he had killed the people in the F-150, and created this huge "incident" that you've painted, I'm certain that the investigation would be rather thorough, and that there would be a clear cut indication if there was a weapon inside the truck. It's not like the cop is going to endanger his own safety (by approaching a burning truck) in order to plant a weapon inside the truck. Tossing one in would create evidence that it had been planted, and that would simply work against the officer in question.
#1 If you are defending your life... it would be a lot damn easier (especially on a freeway) if you just broke hard, rather than tried to shoot a gun while driving.Tactical training would subscribe to the opinion that if you slow down, or stop your vehicle, it is that much more difficult to get out of a given situation. It allows your attacker the opportunity to control your movement - which could be a very bad thing. In executive protection driver training, one is taught how to run roadblocks, and keep moving at all costs, not slow down or stop.
#2 Why the hell do they say "weapon" instead of "firearm" or "gun" or even "bow n arrow" or some projectile weapon?They say weapon because they don't want to specify and later be proven to be mis-quoting the officer, or anyone involved with the investigation.
#3 As rigorous as it is to obtain the "Blue" they wear, it doesn't mean all officers follow the rules. There are numerous amounts of corrupted cops who have been caught doing something illegal or abusing their powers. I'm sure there are enough cops still getting away with illegal activities.So, can YOU answer my original question? Why did the cop, if he's so CORRUPT and GUILTY as several people make him out to be, why did he call it in, and not let it simply be another case of unsolved "road rage"?
#4 Lets say the officer did kill the guys in the F150. That would have been a great story to see a wrecked F150 on the news, probably on fire, people dead, closed some parts of the bridge. Then the cop will have to say that he defended his life (but obviously no witnesses, he killed 'em) and without one scratch on his own car.If he had killed the people in the F-150, and created this huge "incident" that you've painted, I'm certain that the investigation would be rather thorough, and that there would be a clear cut indication if there was a weapon inside the truck. It's not like the cop is going to endanger his own safety (by approaching a burning truck) in order to plant a weapon inside the truck. Tossing one in would create evidence that it had been planted, and that would simply work against the officer in question.
12-27-2008, 10:29 AM
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Now if you pull the trigger.... Then its on. Police Deffend The Public. Not offend. SWAT is a whole other topic.
He contacted chp in case he did hit someone in that truck. Because the second that happen, That guy would be in the hospital. And those people, The doctors tend to ask questions. Then the police are called. The real truth would have come out. Then we would have a police officer off duty shooting at cars.
He made the call based on covering his a$$. I hope the guy that he shot at steps up with a lawyer. Stating he has a chrome cell phone cover and was making a phone call. When this car started shooting at him. He'd be getting paid quick!!!!