Quetion about getting Dyno Tuned.
02-10-2011 | 07:33 PM
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I love mine. I can log data, diagnose and clear trouble codes and switch my maps. That alone made it worth it IMO...and i've had mine for 3 years now. It was a great first mod because I was able to run stage 1 for a year...got tired of that and went stage 2 for two years...got tired of and went to a bigger turbo. The AP worked for me the whole time. It's good for me because I didn't want to just jump in making huge power right off the bat.
but who knows, maybe I'll need to have different maps to switch between in the future.
I didn't get anything but a loss of power. stupid map. haha
02-10-2011 | 09:34 PM
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I use it to diagnose and clear the same code.. actually thinking of getting rid of mine after a pro tune though.. haven't had the need to switch maps. and switching maps kinda sucks. One time I switched to the anti theft map, then when I wanted to switch back, it took forever to load. Then I realized I shouldn't be doing that every time i park
but who knows, maybe I'll need to have different maps to switch between in the future.
I didn't get anything but a loss of power. stupid map. haha
but who knows, maybe I'll need to have different maps to switch between in the future.
I didn't get anything but a loss of power. stupid map. haha
Where I live there are a lot of hill so the car always wants to boost hard and with the 5psi limit on the economap, it really helps keep my fuel consumption down. Works for me. I'd imagine it's pretty useless in the bay though. lol
02-10-2011 | 10:40 PM
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Well.. As far as waiting to add parts before getting a tune, my '03 WRX was tuned when it was bone stock w/3k miles and it went from 156whp to 186. This was a huge difference, with no parts changed. The only thing that bummed me out about that was that Ed was right before me and his car put down 192whp. 
That was DAAAAYS ago... At Vishnu.
That was DAAAAYS ago... At Vishnu.
02-11-2011 | 12:29 AM
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Wow this thread did not turned out the way I was hoping for, got more then what I was asking for
So it sounds like I need to get a hold of Mike @ GST for a tune when "I want" to get a tune.
So it sounds like I need to get a hold of Mike @ GST for a tune when "I want" to get a tune.
02-11-2011 | 08:57 AM
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The base maps are designed for people like this. People trying to save money.
In general I always recommend pro tunes. They pretty much always see gains because ever car and every motor is a little bit different.
But when I see someone piecing together an exhaust like this it tells me that they will probably keep adding parts. Next on the list is an up pipe. Then this, then that. In that case I don't see the harm in running an OTS cobb map until they settle on their direction or get passed the point of no return. Injectors, turbo, mbc, intercooler, headers, etc.
That's why I said gather the parts THEN go see a tuner.
You might be o.k. with people coming back every month to retune for a new part but I don't see why I should recommend someone do that. Dude's gotta eat... but hell. This is a DP and a cat back. Nothing complicated.
Were these stg. 2 cars more heavily modified than this one? The stock up pipe alone is a HUGE difference.
I would consider a true stage 2 car full catless with an aftermarket or p/p header set up and probably a better flowing intake in most cases.
Protune is obviously the better route...
That's why I elaborated in my first post....
In general I always recommend pro tunes. They pretty much always see gains because ever car and every motor is a little bit different.
But when I see someone piecing together an exhaust like this it tells me that they will probably keep adding parts. Next on the list is an up pipe. Then this, then that. In that case I don't see the harm in running an OTS cobb map until they settle on their direction or get passed the point of no return. Injectors, turbo, mbc, intercooler, headers, etc.
That's why I said gather the parts THEN go see a tuner.
You might be o.k. with people coming back every month to retune for a new part but I don't see why I should recommend someone do that. Dude's gotta eat... but hell. This is a DP and a cat back. Nothing complicated.
Were these stg. 2 cars more heavily modified than this one? The stock up pipe alone is a HUGE difference.
I would consider a true stage 2 car full catless with an aftermarket or p/p header set up and probably a better flowing intake in most cases.
Protune is obviously the better route...
That's why I elaborated in my first post....
And the stock UP is fine on anything but the 2.0l cars. Remember that they're catless from the factory in all 2.5l cars.
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02-11-2011 | 09:50 AM
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I use it to diagnose and clear the same code.. actually thinking of getting rid of mine after a pro tune though.. haven't had the need to switch maps. and switching maps kinda sucks. One time I switched to the anti theft map, then when I wanted to switch back, it took forever to load. Then I realized I shouldn't be doing that every time i park
but who knows, maybe I'll need to have different maps to switch between in the future.
but who knows, maybe I'll need to have different maps to switch between in the future.
And I would not get rid of the AP after your pro tune, unless you mean to say get a tune with open source or something else.
02-11-2011 | 10:34 AM
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I definitely agree about finalizing your setup before getting a tune. This is what I always recommend to my customers as there is no point in retuning the car often. You just made it seem like a complete TBE is not enough mods to see benefits from a custom tune, and I definitely disagree with that. Many people get a nice TBE and a custom tune and stop there because thats plenty of power for them. I've actually talked people out of upgrading turbos or adding more bolt-ons because they have not experienced a well tuned stage 2 setup and think they need more parts to achieve their goal for the car. Why waste money on more parts am complicate the setup when a good tune will likely get the results you're looking for?
And the stock UP is fine on anything but the 2.0l cars. Remember that they're catless from the factory in all 2.5l cars.
Thanks
-- Ed
And the stock UP is fine on anything but the 2.0l cars. Remember that they're catless from the factory in all 2.5l cars.
Thanks
-- Ed
02-11-2011 | 11:07 AM
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It does make sense actually. The UP cat in the 2.0l's is mainly used for cold start emissions because it heats up much quicker than the DP cats. With the 2.5's, AVCS is used heavily to aid in emissions. The 2.5l WRX's and 07+ STI's also have a secondary smog air pump which is used to heat up the cats during cold start. These factors negate the need for the UP cat.
The secondary air pump system has its own issues, however. The solenoids on the back of the heads tend to go out over time. If they stick open, you end up sucking fresh air behind the exhaust valves, raising EGT's drastically. We've seen this burn valves and in some extreme cases, even warp the heads and valve guides!
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The secondary air pump system has its own issues, however. The solenoids on the back of the heads tend to go out over time. If they stick open, you end up sucking fresh air behind the exhaust valves, raising EGT's drastically. We've seen this burn valves and in some extreme cases, even warp the heads and valve guides!
-- Ed
02-15-2011 | 10:24 PM
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Except 05-06 legacys have a cat in the uppipe. I dunno maybe outbacks may have it too
I definitely agree about finalizing your setup before getting a tune. This is what I always recommend to my customers as there is no point in retuning the car often. You just made it seem like a complete TBE is not enough mods to see benefits from a custom tune, and I definitely disagree with that. Many people get a nice TBE and a custom tune and stop there because thats plenty of power for them. I've actually talked people out of upgrading turbos or adding more bolt-ons because they have not experienced a well tuned stage 2 setup and think they need more parts to achieve their goal for the car. Why waste money on more parts am complicate the setup when a good tune will likely get the results you're looking for?
And the stock UP is fine on anything but the 2.0l cars. Remember that they're catless from the factory in all 2.5l cars.
Thanks
-- Ed
And the stock UP is fine on anything but the 2.0l cars. Remember that they're catless from the factory in all 2.5l cars.
Thanks
-- Ed
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