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05-18-2009, 05:36 PM
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That is somewhat of a myth. You can have loaded mags in a locked container with a firearm for example, BUT not inserted inside the firearm. Loaded mags or loose ammo in the same locked container as the firearm does not = loaded firearm.
05-18-2009, 06:39 PM
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you can own a gun IN YOUR OWN HOME.
you just cant be outside the property line while CCW from your home...
of course expect the repeated visits from cops from people calling about a "man with gun" around their school if you are spotted...
edit... lemme add, if you live on SCHOOL PROPERTY, like a dorm, you CANNOT have a firearm at that "home"
you just cant be outside the property line while CCW from your home...
of course expect the repeated visits from cops from people calling about a "man with gun" around their school if you are spotted...
edit... lemme add, if you live on SCHOOL PROPERTY, like a dorm, you CANNOT have a firearm at that "home"
05-19-2009, 03:20 PM
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here's the case i was looking for yesterday:
people vs clark
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...99&postcount=3
people vs clark
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...99&postcount=3
05-19-2009, 09:44 PM
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side saddle is considered loaded.
im trained to combat load a shotgun from the sidesaddle, doesnt take any more time than racking the shotgun.
just keep em seperate and youll be ok.
im trained to combat load a shotgun from the sidesaddle, doesnt take any more time than racking the shotgun.
just keep em seperate and youll be ok.
05-19-2009, 10:00 PM
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From what I have understood from asking around in the last day... if the ammo is touching the firearm, the firearm is considered loaded
05-19-2009, 10:18 PM
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Sorry on a side note.. all of this **** is totally stupid. Absolutely 100%! Criminals and bad people carry a loaded weapon all the time; hence, drive-by's. So to me it makes absolute absurd sense to have a weapon or ammo locked up separated from each other when an emergency happens and you need your weapon.
I'm sure I'm not the only guy who thinks that having a weapon in ur drunk and ammo in the cabin is going to save you when a criminal decides to come up and empty a clip through your car. The school gun thing is stupid at least for colleges (we all know that there are absolutely no provisions to check unless you have a metal detector and one entrance). People are dying pretty frequent at schools like once or twice a month now (even teachers killing people!!) give us a chance to protect ourselves and FOLLOW THE ****IN god damned CONSTITUTION anyone? At least people going to college WANT to go to college to gain something.
If there was any other option than using it in an emergency, then we should all learn some hand to hand combat; however, since life allows people to carry a loaded gun anyways, we should just wear our own for protection. This whole idea again has to deal with people's perspectives on life, childhood, people interaction, and psychy.
Then again we can't save 100% of the people in the world; some are just doomed. That's just plain genetics, just don't hinder the rest of the innocent from protecting ourselves.
I'm sure I'm not the only guy who thinks that having a weapon in ur drunk and ammo in the cabin is going to save you when a criminal decides to come up and empty a clip through your car. The school gun thing is stupid at least for colleges (we all know that there are absolutely no provisions to check unless you have a metal detector and one entrance). People are dying pretty frequent at schools like once or twice a month now (even teachers killing people!!) give us a chance to protect ourselves and FOLLOW THE ****IN god damned CONSTITUTION anyone? At least people going to college WANT to go to college to gain something.
If there was any other option than using it in an emergency, then we should all learn some hand to hand combat; however, since life allows people to carry a loaded gun anyways, we should just wear our own for protection. This whole idea again has to deal with people's perspectives on life, childhood, people interaction, and psychy.
Then again we can't save 100% of the people in the world; some are just doomed. That's just plain genetics, just don't hinder the rest of the innocent from protecting ourselves.
05-19-2009, 11:03 PM
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Lowend, is there some reason you asked this on a car forum and not on a gun forum like the one you post on?
Current case law (People vs. Clark (1996)) is that a shotgun shell attached to the shotgun, although not chambered or placed in a position where it is able to be fired, is declared to be legal under California law.
Current case law (People vs. Clark (1996)) is that a shotgun shell attached to the shotgun, although not chambered or placed in a position where it is able to be fired, is declared to be legal under California law.
05-19-2009, 11:06 PM
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i'll see your combat load training... and raise you "people v clark"
http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Peo...ark-(1996).pdf
sometimes, meth heads brings up the best thing for law abiding gun owners...
The Attorney General argues the court's instruction was correct and the shotgun here was "loaded" within the meaning of Health and Safety Code section 11370.1, subdivision (a) because the shotgun shells, located in a storage compartment in the rear of the stock, were "attached" to the shotgun. [45 Cal.App.4th 1153]
We find this argument unpersuasive. We first observe, that in general, the language of a statute is to be given "its usual, ordinary import." (Quintano v. Mercury Casualty Co. (1995) 11 Cal.4th 1049, 1055 [48 Cal.Rptr.2d 1, 907 P.2d 1057]; Lungren v. Deukmejian (1988) 45 Cal.3d 727, 735 [248 Cal.Rptr. 115, 755 P.2d 299].)
The term "loaded" has a commonly understood meaning: "to put a load or charge in (a device or piece of equipment) a gun" or "to put a load on or in a carrier, device, or container; esp: to insert the charge or cartridge into the chamber of a firearm." (Webster's New Collegiate Dict. (1976) p. 674.) Under the commonly understood meaning of the term "loaded," a firearm is "loaded" when a shell or cartridge has been placed into a position from which it can be fired; the shotgun is not "loaded" if the shell or cartridge is stored elsewhere and not yet placed in a firing position. The shells here were placed in a separate storage compartment of the shotgun and were not yet "loaded" as the term is commonly understood.
We find this argument unpersuasive. We first observe, that in general, the language of a statute is to be given "its usual, ordinary import." (Quintano v. Mercury Casualty Co. (1995) 11 Cal.4th 1049, 1055 [48 Cal.Rptr.2d 1, 907 P.2d 1057]; Lungren v. Deukmejian (1988) 45 Cal.3d 727, 735 [248 Cal.Rptr. 115, 755 P.2d 299].)
The term "loaded" has a commonly understood meaning: "to put a load or charge in (a device or piece of equipment) a gun" or "to put a load on or in a carrier, device, or container; esp: to insert the charge or cartridge into the chamber of a firearm." (Webster's New Collegiate Dict. (1976) p. 674.) Under the commonly understood meaning of the term "loaded," a firearm is "loaded" when a shell or cartridge has been placed into a position from which it can be fired; the shotgun is not "loaded" if the shell or cartridge is stored elsewhere and not yet placed in a firing position. The shells here were placed in a separate storage compartment of the shotgun and were not yet "loaded" as the term is commonly understood.
lol...
05-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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Sorry on a side note.. all of this **** is totally stupid. Absolutely 100%! Criminals and bad people carry a loaded weapon all the time; hence, drive-by's. So to me it makes absolute absurd sense to have a weapon or ammo locked up separated from each other when an emergency happens and you need your weapon.
cause they commit CRIMES.
and hence the millions of LAW ABIDING gun owners all over the world that must follow the rules.
05-19-2009, 11:11 PM
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i'll see your combat load training... and raise you "people v clark"
http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Peo...ark-(1996).pdf
sometimes, meth heads brings up the best thing for law abiding gun owners...
as the commercial for that bug exterminator, "thank you clark"... and hope you rotted in jail, meth head. (court found him not guilty of a loaded firearm but guilty of meth dealing...)
lol...
http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Peo...ark-(1996).pdf
sometimes, meth heads brings up the best thing for law abiding gun owners...
as the commercial for that bug exterminator, "thank you clark"... and hope you rotted in jail, meth head. (court found him not guilty of a loaded firearm but guilty of meth dealing...)
lol...