New Smog Law in 2013? No Tailpipe Readings?
05-02-2012, 11:37 AM
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Diesels dont skip the emissions portion... its just not DYNOed... it should still have the two speed idle portion like AWD vehicles...
As to this law that is suppose to happen in january its still in LINGO since BAR can never decide on whats passed or not as their rules. Id say they probably postpone it until 2014 or later. The law has been passed through the state of california but BAR has not decided if it will be implemented to my knowledge or any of the employees at my work place.
As to this law that is suppose to happen in january its still in LINGO since BAR can never decide on whats passed or not as their rules. Id say they probably postpone it until 2014 or later. The law has been passed through the state of california but BAR has not decided if it will be implemented to my knowledge or any of the employees at my work place.
The law does take effect till Jan 2013 so unless you have a time machine, Im inclined to disagree.
05-02-2012, 11:37 AM
#33
Wouldn't this be better for us? If we know a shop that isn't very strict on visual inspections, we no longer have to worry about swapping the DP or any other part to pass smog.
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
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05-02-2012, 11:44 AM
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Wouldn't this be better for us? If we know a shop that isn't very strict on visual inspections, we no longer have to worry about swapping the DP or any other part to pass smog.
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
The smog industry is already very saturated (have a lot of friends that paid sequoia 20k+ for their smog license only to go into other fields) even though BAR doesnt agree with me on that statement. They want smog techs to work for McDonald wages. If you're smogging a car at 20$ per smog, you cant pay your tech good money which leads to a lot of rushed smogs which leads to tickets and fines on the techs imposed by the BAR. It also leads to shops doing more illegal smogs because if you make 200$ a smog, it beats having to do the $20 ones.
05-03-2012, 09:32 AM
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Wouldn't this be better for us? If we know a shop that isn't very strict on visual inspections, we no longer have to worry about swapping the DP or any other part to pass smog.
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
Also, isn't this kind of a slap in the face from CA to all smog shops? Require them to install dynos and then eliminate the need for them only a few years later?
05-03-2012, 09:45 AM
#41
This is going to bum out all the shops that retrofitted with dynos.
This is good news for us because there are plenty of shops that just don't care.
But in my opinion the pipe test isn't the issue... it's the visual. It shouldn't matter what you have in or on your car as long as it meets the smog level requirements.
IF it was like that more people would probably run cats and have lower emissions. And catted exhausts would probably be cheaper.
I'm curious how they got this passed naive california voters.
This is good news for us because there are plenty of shops that just don't care.
But in my opinion the pipe test isn't the issue... it's the visual. It shouldn't matter what you have in or on your car as long as it meets the smog level requirements.
IF it was like that more people would probably run cats and have lower emissions. And catted exhausts would probably be cheaper.
I'm curious how they got this passed naive california voters.
05-03-2012, 10:02 AM
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Lets be real, this bill has nothing to do with the environment. Its all about special interests and a slimey way to kill the test onlys.
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05-03-2012, 10:31 AM
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How do you figure that? They just made the smog that much easier and people who werent running cats before still wont be and cars that were failing emissions because their cats were weak are going to keep polluting until the infamous p0420 shows up. If anything, more people will invest in a 20$ spacer than a new cat lol.
Lets be real, this bill has nothing to do with the environment. Its all about special interests and a slimey way to kill the test onlys.
Lets be real, this bill has nothing to do with the environment. Its all about special interests and a slimey way to kill the test onlys.
My thinking is like this...
People want power. We build these cars and we put parts on them and we know we're at risk of tickets. So why not go all out?
Add to that the insanely high cost of getting parts through CARB and the low return.
Now say you weren't at risk of a ticket unless you failed the sniffer. With our cars you can do a LOT of mods and still pass the sniffer with even one high flow cat.
Now add to that the insanely high cost of getting parts through CARB but with a higher return... and more than likely it would become easier.
I know for me I would be much more likely to modify my car if I knew I wouldn't get hassled and only had to pass a sniffer. Your power losses are minimal anyways (in the dp).
I am in the process of planning out either a new build or a swap for my car. If the laws where sniffer only I would be more likely to do a built motor and a big turbo. But because they're not I'm more likely to do a mostly stock STI swap so I don't have to deal with it.
that's how I figure...
