"NDAA" Indefinite Military Detention Bill - important!
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"NDAA" Indefinite Military Detention Bill - important!
Guys - I generally don't post political stuff here... but this is a big deal
I'm just going to post this verbatim
This comes directly from the ACLU website. Say what you will about the organization, but we need to band with them an put a stop to this immediately. We cannot give the government broad powers to use the military on US soil to detain citizens without charge or trial.
An easy form to email your senator
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocac...subsrc=fixNDAA
I'm just going to post this verbatim
Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window
While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.
Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.
The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?
The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto. But Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.
But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.
In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”
The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.
In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinite detention.
The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.
While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.
Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.
The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.
The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?
The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto. But Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.
But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation. Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.
In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”
The solution is the Udall Amendment; a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military. Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate, the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power. It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in.
In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinite detention.
The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.
An easy form to email your senator
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocac...subsrc=fixNDAA
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Wow. I'm for the most part a right wing voter (not that this seems to be a right or left thing), but this is terrifying. Especially under the Obama administration. If hat socialist SOB ever tried to place his men on my land or take me in for no reason I'd drop them like flies for as long as I could. This is absurd.
Definitely looking further into this.
Definitely looking further into this.
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In regards to the Patriot Act, if your doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
I've looked further into this and I feel that it's the same ACLU BS. As much as I hate to use the term "Al Quieda" (spelling?) due to it's over use, some members of it are US citizens. We seized plenty of it's members off and on of US soil. This will only make search and seizure of those harmful to the US easier. It will help remove the PITA procedures military must go through to get their hands on the scum of the earth. That is all.
I've looked further into this and I feel that it's the same ACLU BS. As much as I hate to use the term "Al Quieda" (spelling?) due to it's over use, some members of it are US citizens. We seized plenty of it's members off and on of US soil. This will only make search and seizure of those harmful to the US easier. It will help remove the PITA procedures military must go through to get their hands on the scum of the earth. That is all.
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Worst argument ever. Sorry, this is America: home of the free. I don't want to have to be looked at to prove my innocence; I don't want to be looked at at all. All these new laws haven't provided the ability to catch ****, just like the TSA its all theater: dog and pony shows serving no taxpayer anywhere.
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Worst argument ever. Sorry, this is America: home of the free. I don't want to have to be looked at to prove my innocence; I don't want to be looked at at all. All these new laws haven't provided the ability to catch ****, just like the TSA its all theater: dog and pony shows serving no taxpayer anywhere.
If we do, what's next?!
I can't believe this is even real. I had to look it up to make sure you didn't get fooled into posting something that had been regurgitated over the web in order to cite fear in people.
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Worst argument ever. Sorry, this is America: home of the free. I don't want to have to be looked at to prove my innocence; I don't want to be looked at at all. All these new laws haven't provided the ability to catch ****, just like the TSA its all theater: dog and pony shows serving no taxpayer anywhere.
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The reason for the citizens of this country having the right to bear arms is to, prevent why we started this country in the first place, a government having total control over the populous.
The people of this nation shouldn't be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of its people. It is this fear and quest for power which is driving anti-gun laws and freedom of speech bans.
The government is no longer afraid of its people and that needs to go back to how it used to be.
The people of this nation shouldn't be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of its people. It is this fear and quest for power which is driving anti-gun laws and freedom of speech bans.
The government is no longer afraid of its people and that needs to go back to how it used to be.
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