Moonbeam bans open carry of handguns
10-10-2011, 11:44 PM
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Where you live is irrelevant. For one nobody can predict when or where someone is going to commit a crime. This is not 1984, or Demolition Man. Again, a gun makes a very powerful deterrent even when not used. If a criminal knew that most people in a neighborhood were armed they would probably commit crimes in a different neighborhood. Or, again, be removed from the gene pool 
10-11-2011, 05:57 AM
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I own guns for 4 reasons
1. To protect myself and family from crime or dangerous animals
2. I enjoy target shooting
3. I'm of jewish decent... Never again
4. The mechanical/engineering aspect.... Guns are cool.
Do I believe in total freedom of arms? No. I believe that for ccw or open carry, people should have to get a background check, and complete a training course. I have done both those things, and can't get a ccw... That's wrong
1. To protect myself and family from crime or dangerous animals
2. I enjoy target shooting
3. I'm of jewish decent... Never again
4. The mechanical/engineering aspect.... Guns are cool.
Do I believe in total freedom of arms? No. I believe that for ccw or open carry, people should have to get a background check, and complete a training course. I have done both those things, and can't get a ccw... That's wrong
10-11-2011, 06:36 AM
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folks...relax!
This, believe it or not, is a blessing not a curse. What this has done, due to a few poorly chosen words by a judge in a recent case, has opened up the doors to a lawsuit to FORCE the state to become shall issue (unlike the may issue they are now).
Keep your ears and eyes open, I predict shall issue, or even will issue in this state before the end of 2012.
This, believe it or not, is a blessing not a curse. What this has done, due to a few poorly chosen words by a judge in a recent case, has opened up the doors to a lawsuit to FORCE the state to become shall issue (unlike the may issue they are now).
Keep your ears and eyes open, I predict shall issue, or even will issue in this state before the end of 2012.
10-11-2011, 06:59 AM
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I own guns for 4 reasons
1. To protect myself and family from crime or dangerous animals
2. I enjoy target shooting
3. I'm of jewish decent... Never again
4. The mechanical/engineering aspect.... Guns are cool.
Do I believe in total freedom of arms? No. I believe that for ccw or open carry, people should have to get a background check, and complete a training course. I have done both those things, and can't get a ccw... That's wrong
1. To protect myself and family from crime or dangerous animals
2. I enjoy target shooting
3. I'm of jewish decent... Never again
4. The mechanical/engineering aspect.... Guns are cool.
Do I believe in total freedom of arms? No. I believe that for ccw or open carry, people should have to get a background check, and complete a training course. I have done both those things, and can't get a ccw... That's wrong
10-11-2011, 09:14 AM
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you can TRY to get LTC a concealed firearm.
some counties are MORE open to this.
in alameda county, san fran county, LA county; unless you are a major contributor to the sheriff re election fund, a celebrity or a politician; it is nex to impossible.
or in a weird but heavily publiciized event. for example, a few years ago, a black dude in oakland was harassed and his life threatened by ganag member/drug dealers when he refused to move out of his home when he kept reporting drug dealing and other illegal events by his house. only when he was shot and survived did he get a LTC...
but you get idea.
counties in more rural area tend to have more friendly sheriffs to the 2nd amendment. in fact years ago, tehama county used to have on their web page, a link to a page to get your own LTC. now these days, it's buried under a few more links but still have the same tone:
Concealed Weapons
read the first sentence...
btw, just heard on ch5 news (kpix) at their 6pm news. reason gov moonbeam signed the law was "he listened to police chiefs"...
he didnt listen to citizens, but rather the biggest group next to the brady bunchers, who dont want law abiding citizens to have firearms...
sigh...
some counties are MORE open to this.
in alameda county, san fran county, LA county; unless you are a major contributor to the sheriff re election fund, a celebrity or a politician; it is nex to impossible.
or in a weird but heavily publiciized event. for example, a few years ago, a black dude in oakland was harassed and his life threatened by ganag member/drug dealers when he refused to move out of his home when he kept reporting drug dealing and other illegal events by his house. only when he was shot and survived did he get a LTC...
but you get idea.
counties in more rural area tend to have more friendly sheriffs to the 2nd amendment. in fact years ago, tehama county used to have on their web page, a link to a page to get your own LTC. now these days, it's buried under a few more links but still have the same tone:
Concealed Weapons
read the first sentence...
btw, just heard on ch5 news (kpix) at their 6pm news. reason gov moonbeam signed the law was "he listened to police chiefs"...
he didnt listen to citizens, but rather the biggest group next to the brady bunchers, who dont want law abiding citizens to have firearms...
sigh...
10-11-2011, 10:57 AM
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I'm wearing my wife down on moving out of state... Wearing her down!
CA is really getting to be ridiculous (not just regarding this topic, which doesn't concern me directly, but it's the fact that we have lost so many rights over the past 20 years that if you project forward, what rights will you have in 30 years? What rights will your kids have?)
CA is really getting to be ridiculous (not just regarding this topic, which doesn't concern me directly, but it's the fact that we have lost so many rights over the past 20 years that if you project forward, what rights will you have in 30 years? What rights will your kids have?)
10-11-2011, 11:03 AM
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I'm moving to Texas or Arizona.
California is full of idiots.
@ the guy who said what would a gun do in a store when a guy wants to rob it and relieves you of your gun, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
If you know anything about people doing dirt, they aren't about to hit a store where they see someone with a gun. They will wait until the person leaves.... THEN hit the store......
I am going to make the assumption those FOR gun control for law abiding citizens have never looked at any research material involving the subject however....
So I'll give you a pass for ignorance....
When you find yourself in the situation where a gun would be nice.... or the guy next to you on the ground having a gun would be nice..... Don't jump ship...
Just remember you backed the idea.
Idiot.
California is full of idiots.
@ the guy who said what would a gun do in a store when a guy wants to rob it and relieves you of your gun, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
If you know anything about people doing dirt, they aren't about to hit a store where they see someone with a gun. They will wait until the person leaves.... THEN hit the store......
I am going to make the assumption those FOR gun control for law abiding citizens have never looked at any research material involving the subject however....
So I'll give you a pass for ignorance....
When you find yourself in the situation where a gun would be nice.... or the guy next to you on the ground having a gun would be nice..... Don't jump ship...
Just remember you backed the idea.
Idiot.
10-11-2011, 11:11 AM
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I'm moving to Texas or Arizona.
California is full of idiots.
@ the guy who said what would a gun do in a store when a guy wants to rob it and relieves you of your gun, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
If you know anything about people doing dirt, they aren't about to hit a store where they see someone with a gun. They will wait until the person leaves.... THEN hit the store......
I am going to make the assumption those FOR gun control for law abiding citizens have never looked at any research material involving the subject however....
So I'll give you a pass for ignorance....
When you find yourself in the situation where a gun would be nice.... or the guy next to you on the ground having a gun would be nice..... Don't jump ship...
Just remember you backed the idea.
Idiot.
California is full of idiots.
@ the guy who said what would a gun do in a store when a guy wants to rob it and relieves you of your gun, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
If you know anything about people doing dirt, they aren't about to hit a store where they see someone with a gun. They will wait until the person leaves.... THEN hit the store......
I am going to make the assumption those FOR gun control for law abiding citizens have never looked at any research material involving the subject however....
So I'll give you a pass for ignorance....
When you find yourself in the situation where a gun would be nice.... or the guy next to you on the ground having a gun would be nice..... Don't jump ship...
Just remember you backed the idea.
Idiot.
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10-11-2011, 11:23 AM
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California State Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, who authored the bill, told Hotsheet in an interview that the law was a natural way to prevent gun violence
10-11-2011, 11:29 AM
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Where you live is irrelevant. For one nobody can predict when or where someone is going to commit a crime. This is not 1984, or Demolition Man. Again, a gun makes a very powerful deterrent even when not used. If a criminal knew that most people in a neighborhood were armed they would probably commit crimes in a different neighborhood. Or, again, be removed from the gene pool
10-11-2011, 11:40 AM
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He is in a gang...
He just so happens to be in jail right now for putting an ILLEGAL firearm to an undercover police officer's head....
Why is this relevant?
Let's say he was asked once what he thought about the government taking away guns from people....
His response?
**laughing** "These police out here dumb as hell.. I'm havin a piece no matter what so any ***** who doesn't have one finna get hit if they are slippin... you white *****s are the easiest with your hybrid *** car and **** and no gun havin ***... of course you bout to get jacked *****"
or something along those lines.......
That is coming from someone who is IN JAIL FOR PUTTING A GUN TO A UC's HEAD PEOPLE!!
Taking guns from law abiding citizens is just plain stupid. There is no need for any better word choice.
It is just plain stupid... better yet.... it is irresponsible.