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10-12-2009, 11:43 PM
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Yeah I am the last person to be commenting on this stuff but I was gonna say... My gf in high school (Big Island, HI brah) was really into the Hawaiian Kenpo you mention... Didn't seem to be much more than exercise really.
10-13-2009, 01:49 AM
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I know this Kajukembo place is legit http://tribullmma.typepad.com/
They're f'ing crazy ***** haha, they were on one episode of that Discovery Channel show Fight Quest
and +1 LOL at the pedo pic
10-13-2009, 02:07 PM
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I know this Kajukembo place is legit http://tribullmma.typepad.com/
They're f'ing crazy ***** haha, they were on one episode of that Discovery Channel show Fight Quest
and +1 LOL at the pedo pic
They're f'ing crazy ***** haha, they were on one episode of that Discovery Channel show Fight Quest
and +1 LOL at the pedo pic
Like I said, Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kenpo were originally all hardcore, full-contact, fight dirty kinda styles, but some schools just took the name and the history and ran it into the ground until it turned into calisthenics
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10-13-2009, 04:06 PM
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Yeah, the Tribull guys are legit just like John Hackelman's The Pit.
Like I said, Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kenpo were originally all hardcore, full-contact, fight dirty kinda styles, but some schools just took the name and the history and ran it into the ground until it turned into calisthenics
Like I said, Kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kenpo were originally all hardcore, full-contact, fight dirty kinda styles, but some schools just took the name and the history and ran it into the ground until it turned into calisthenics
Well for those not familiar with this style, the story goes for Kajukembo that a Karate guy, a Kung fu guy, a boxer, and a judo guy got together and tried to figure out what was the best way to kick somebody's ***.
You don't get more hardcore than that
10-13-2009, 04:35 PM
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Edit: Oh snap, one of their founders, Adriano Emperado, died a few months back
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10-14-2009, 02:18 PM
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No, black belts having to register their hands as lethal weapons are just an urban myth; plus kiddy black belts are just bullshido... unless the "kid" happens to be a teenager and has a black belt from a reputable school of BJJ, Judo, Kyokushin, or any one of the full contact martial arts.
Hell, a 16-year old professional Nak Muay from Thailand would probably **** me up royally even if I outweighed him by like 75 pounds
P.S. For a sec, I thought your SN was "mystery erection" Sorry! [/QUOTE]
i dunno i worked at a school for a few years and i had a couple kids who had to register their hands with the local pd....and thats what its supposed to be when you say it out loud hahahaha its a thinker
Hell, a 16-year old professional Nak Muay from Thailand would probably **** me up royally even if I outweighed him by like 75 pounds
P.S. For a sec, I thought your SN was "mystery erection"
Sorry! [/QUOTE]i dunno i worked at a school for a few years and i had a couple kids who had to register their hands with the local pd....and thats what its supposed to be when you say it out loud hahahaha its a thinker
10-14-2009, 02:44 PM
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No, black belts having to register their hands as lethal weapons are just an urban myth; plus kiddy black belts are just bullshido... unless the "kid" happens to be a teenager and has a black belt from a reputable school of BJJ, Judo, Kyokushin, or any one of the full contact martial arts.
Actually, you have to be 18 to receive a black belt in Kyokushin and BJJ. In BJJ there is a separate belt system under 16 that leads into blue belt when you hit 16.
In Judo the belt system is messed up in America - they have a color belt system whereas in Japan you get a black belt very soon and only Dan progression matters - the black belt just means you've committed to start seriously training. And there I think you need to be 18 as well.
10-14-2009, 03:40 PM
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2. Has anyone recommending BJJ actually done BJJ for a long time? I wouldn't recommend it if you don't like pain. Unless you are really just doing it for fun, you WILL get jacked up rolling. You WILL screw up a shoulder/elbow/wrist/knee at some point, because in the beginning you won't know when the tap. So yeah you can roll softly and not use all your strength, but at SOME point you will want to go aggressive, and snap! Someone will omoplata you and try to stand up without letting you go, or you will try to pull out of an armbar, you will roll the wrong way to get out of a heel hook etc. etc.
BJJ is not for the guy who just wants to get a workout. Neither is serious Muay Thai or boxing - you WILL get jacked up. Cardio kickboxing/boxing - that's fine
BJJ is not for the guy who just wants to get a workout. Neither is serious Muay Thai or boxing - you WILL get jacked up. Cardio kickboxing/boxing - that's fine
Yes, my body is pretty beat up, but I also train at a different pace than most people. Injuries, for the most part, are 50% on you, and 50% on your training partners. So I don't buy BJJ/MT will automatically lead to injuries. It is what you make it. If you train like a spaz you'll probably hurt yourself and others, if you understand how to control your body, you can train pretty hard and just walk away with some sore muscles.
Hell, most people who have been training for some time get more injured from white/blue belts than belts above them.
Cardio kickboxing isn't going to teach anyone how to fight. Neither will performing kata. You can't prepare to fight unless you have someone giving you real resistance.
10-14-2009, 03:55 PM
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That is exactly my point there - the most risk of injury in BJJ is when you're a white or a blue. Obviously training bjj/mt doesn't automatically lead to injuries, but statistically there is a high probability one will get injured. A large part of it is down to the instructor and other people at the gym, which is beyond one's control. Everybody knows not to spaz or do this and that, but there's going to be a time when it just happens...
I would say for a person in the age range of 20-30, even with great care it is almost certain injury will be sustained unless they really refrain from rolling hard. Joining a jiujitsu club filled with experienced and more elder participants is another matter of course.
And lastly, my major point was asking what the OP's purpose in martial arts was. If it's to workout he might as well do cardio kickboxing and decrease the risk of injury. And if he's just interested in martial arts in general, not specifically for self defense, there is a lot of interesting stuff in even the non/light contact martial arts like Aikido and Shotokan.
Different martial arts are for different people with different goals. A martial arts' combat applicability is only one factor in determining whether to pursue it.
I would say for a person in the age range of 20-30, even with great care it is almost certain injury will be sustained unless they really refrain from rolling hard. Joining a jiujitsu club filled with experienced and more elder participants is another matter of course.
And lastly, my major point was asking what the OP's purpose in martial arts was. If it's to workout he might as well do cardio kickboxing and decrease the risk of injury. And if he's just interested in martial arts in general, not specifically for self defense, there is a lot of interesting stuff in even the non/light contact martial arts like Aikido and Shotokan.
Different martial arts are for different people with different goals. A martial arts' combat applicability is only one factor in determining whether to pursue it.
Creeping up on 9 years.
Yes, my body is pretty beat up, but I also train at a different pace than most people. Injuries, for the most part, are 50% on you, and 50% on your training partners. So I don't buy BJJ/MT will automatically lead to injuries. It is what you make it. If you train like a spaz you'll probably hurt yourself and others, if you understand how to control your body, you can train pretty hard and just walk away with some sore muscles.
Hell, most people who have been training for some time get more injured from white/blue belts than belts above them.
Cardio kickboxing isn't going to teach anyone how to fight. Neither will performing kata. You can't prepare to fight unless you have someone giving you real resistance.
Yes, my body is pretty beat up, but I also train at a different pace than most people. Injuries, for the most part, are 50% on you, and 50% on your training partners. So I don't buy BJJ/MT will automatically lead to injuries. It is what you make it. If you train like a spaz you'll probably hurt yourself and others, if you understand how to control your body, you can train pretty hard and just walk away with some sore muscles.
Hell, most people who have been training for some time get more injured from white/blue belts than belts above them.
Cardio kickboxing isn't going to teach anyone how to fight. Neither will performing kata. You can't prepare to fight unless you have someone giving you real resistance.
10-14-2009, 09:34 PM
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Actually, you have to be 18 to receive a black belt in Kyokushin and BJJ. In BJJ there is a separate belt system under 16 that leads into blue belt when you hit 16.
In Judo the belt system is messed up in America - they have a color belt system whereas in Japan you get a black belt very soon and only Dan progression matters - the black belt just means you've committed to start seriously training. And there I think you need to be 18 as well.
In Judo the belt system is messed up in America - they have a color belt system whereas in Japan you get a black belt very soon and only Dan progression matters - the black belt just means you've committed to start seriously training. And there I think you need to be 18 as well.
Good point on BJJ and Judo though, spot on the money for the differences in belt rank between Japan and the US. Acutally, the Kodokan has a program for getting shodan in one year (you pretty much do judo all day, everyday), and do a few other legit schools in Japan (Yoshinkan Aikido, for example). In a way, most Japanese do not consider a black belt as "mastery" like many do here in the States; instead, a black belt just means that their is usable competence in all basic skills taught. For example, that's why Shodan and Nidan-ranked black belts are only "Senpai" in Kyokushin and aren't "Sensei" until Sandan and up.
And I agree wholeheartedly about gym atmosphere and the likelihood of injury sometimes not being in one's own full control.
10-16-2009, 12:08 PM
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And of course, I forgot to mention that the IKO1 has the "Wakajishi" and other uchideshi programs, although I think we're too old for them already
10-16-2009, 01:53 PM
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On a similar note, I dunno if anybody in BAIC is a Japanese MMA fan - we should put together a trip to watch DREAM some time. I'm sure somebody here speaks Japanese which will make it ultra sweet