Maniac in Brazil mows down 150 bicyclists
02-28-2011, 05:50 PM
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What about all the people who ride bikes that BREAK the law (the ones that cause a vast majority of problems and why people dislike bike riders so much)? They are supposed to be equal, but a lot sure dont act like it. I see WAY more people on BIKES run stop signs/lights than I do cars.
Its a double edge sword. The "car drivers" arnt pefect, and the "bike riders" sure arnt either, even tho they act innocent most of the time.
When was the last time you (or anyone here) saw a person on a bike (besides a 12 year old without a helmet) getting pulled over and cited for breaking a traffic law? Im not saying it doesnt happen, but sure as **** not as offten as cars get pulled over and ticketed.
Its a double edge sword. The "car drivers" arnt pefect, and the "bike riders" sure arnt either, even tho they act innocent most of the time.
When was the last time you (or anyone here) saw a person on a bike (besides a 12 year old without a helmet) getting pulled over and cited for breaking a traffic law? Im not saying it doesnt happen, but sure as **** not as offten as cars get pulled over and ticketed.
Well ask SFPD to do their JOBS and not allow UPS, FEDEX, and everyone else to double park in the bike lanes downtown and around the city, which is ILLEGAL.
If you ask me, the whole anti-car cycling movement stemmed from road rage incidents between cars and bikes. Cars want to own the road because "I'm bigger than your bike. I should have the right away" attitude. If you have been to Europe you will notice that in most cities there have very adequate bike lanes in the major cities. These help to decrease these incidents and make the roads safer for EVERYONE.
If you ask me, the whole anti-car cycling movement stemmed from road rage incidents between cars and bikes. Cars want to own the road because "I'm bigger than your bike. I should have the right away" attitude. If you have been to Europe you will notice that in most cities there have very adequate bike lanes in the major cities. These help to decrease these incidents and make the roads safer for EVERYONE.
02-28-2011, 05:51 PM
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My argument, reiterated, is that breaking traffic laws on a bike causes no harm to people besides bugging drivers. I'm not condoning the behavior of aloof douches who ride two across on roads and don't move single file when cars approach, but get a grip when demonizing cyclists. We're not protected save for a foam ****ing helmet. We can't just send our leg off for a new coat of skin when someone hits us/ we hit them.
02-28-2011, 06:01 PM
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Violence is sometimes the right and just answer, and is exactly why critical mass has turned into a hated ****-show. Bikers are tired of getting hit, drivers are tired of being inconvenienced by bikes.
As someone who rides a bike as primary transportation, I am not surprised by this thread. People have a false sense of entitlement behind the wheel, and in my opinion don't generally treat bicyclists with the respect that they should.
My bike weighs 255 lbs with me on it and has two legpower.
Your car weighs anywhere from 2700 to 9000 lbs and has more horsepower than the golden gate fields stables.
It's not difficult to share the road and unfortunately smegma from both sides attracts zealots like overbear, who enjoy spouting off about vigilante justice towards whoever and whatever.
Sorry that I slow your trip to the grocery store by 10 seconds because you can't pass RIGHT AWAY.
I'm on a BIKE. It's treated like an automobile by law, but when you only need to replace your windshield because my head went through it, I'll need 200k in healthcare bills. I choose to break traffic laws on my bike, and when I do my wallet is in danger. When I (and anyone else) chooses to break traffic laws in a car, people's lives are in danger.
All those supporting the actions of this psycho in Brazil need to spend some real seat time on a bike in traffic.
As someone who rides a bike as primary transportation, I am not surprised by this thread. People have a false sense of entitlement behind the wheel, and in my opinion don't generally treat bicyclists with the respect that they should.
My bike weighs 255 lbs with me on it and has two legpower.
Your car weighs anywhere from 2700 to 9000 lbs and has more horsepower than the golden gate fields stables.
It's not difficult to share the road and unfortunately smegma from both sides attracts zealots like overbear, who enjoy spouting off about vigilante justice towards whoever and whatever.
Sorry that I slow your trip to the grocery store by 10 seconds because you can't pass RIGHT AWAY.
I'm on a BIKE. It's treated like an automobile by law, but when you only need to replace your windshield because my head went through it, I'll need 200k in healthcare bills. I choose to break traffic laws on my bike, and when I do my wallet is in danger. When I (and anyone else) chooses to break traffic laws in a car, people's lives are in danger.
All those supporting the actions of this psycho in Brazil need to spend some real seat time on a bike in traffic.
Sorry but bikes are an antiquated, outdated, mode of transportation. Just because YOUR stuck in the 1900's doesnt put the rest of us there. Obey the ****ing rules of the road, or risk getting hit when someone doesnt see you, simple as that.
Now...ALL this said, your right that it doesnt excuse running down that many people, BUT do not sit there and act like bicyclists are all pure and inocent and their **** smells like roses in springtime.
02-28-2011, 06:03 PM
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02-28-2011, 06:18 PM
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And your car which is not even close to 33% efficient is less "outdated" than my bike? A piston in a cylinder can only transmit a third of the fuel explosion in perfect conditions. Sounds to me like automobiles have a bit more progress to make before they're at a bike's level of refinement.
Some hack scientists at the exploratorium:
http://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/humanpower1.html
And regarding my breaking of traffic laws, the majority are when I don't use arm signals to make turns or lane changes. I look for a free opportunity so some distracted driver doesn't mow me down since I'm not in a car.
Some hack scientists at the exploratorium:
http://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/humanpower1.html
And regarding my breaking of traffic laws, the majority are when I don't use arm signals to make turns or lane changes. I look for a free opportunity so some distracted driver doesn't mow me down since I'm not in a car.
02-28-2011, 07:34 PM
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Bicyclists are entitled to the road as much as cars. Yes, they must obey all laws just like cars. It's terrible there are those bad seeds that ruin it for everyone. It doesn't mean the entire cycling community should be punished for it.
It is also sad that the only thing cycling related everyone knows about is "critical mass". Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I hope I don't get ran over by an angry anti cycling Subaru driver.
It is also sad that the only thing cycling related everyone knows about is "critical mass". Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I hope I don't get ran over by an angry anti cycling Subaru driver.
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I'm on a BIKE. It's treated like an automobile by law, but when you only need to replace your windshield because my head went through it, I'll need 200k in healthcare bills. I choose to break traffic laws on my bike, and when I do my wallet is in danger. When I (and anyone else) chooses to break traffic laws in a car, people's lives are in danger.
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02-28-2011, 08:03 PM
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02-28-2011, 08:13 PM
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02-28-2011, 09:05 PM
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I made a comment about this earlier citing a known example as to why riders have to break a law.
I have seen cyclists get tickets for blowing through intersections and for biking under the influence. It happens. Not everyone gets caught but not every speeder gets caught either.
I have seen cyclists get tickets for blowing through intersections and for biking under the influence. It happens. Not everyone gets caught but not every speeder gets caught either.
I break the law on my bike every time I ride it. I've been ticketed once for an illegal left turn when I rode across an empty intersection on a red light with a cop lurking behind a parked car. It was 330 bucks. My dad has two tickets for pulling similar moves. FYI, 99% of traffic light sensors don't pick up bikes because THEY'RE BIKES and not cars.
My argument, reiterated, is that breaking traffic laws on a bike causes no harm to people besides bugging drivers. I'm not condoning the behavior of aloof douches who ride two across on roads and don't move single file when cars approach, but get a grip when demonizing cyclists. We're not protected save for a foam ****ing helmet. We can't just send our leg off for a new coat of skin when someone hits us/ we hit them.
My argument, reiterated, is that breaking traffic laws on a bike causes no harm to people besides bugging drivers. I'm not condoning the behavior of aloof douches who ride two across on roads and don't move single file when cars approach, but get a grip when demonizing cyclists. We're not protected save for a foam ****ing helmet. We can't just send our leg off for a new coat of skin when someone hits us/ we hit them.
Bicyclists are entitled to the road as much as cars. Yes, they must obey all laws just like cars. It's terrible there are those bad seeds that ruin it for everyone. It doesn't mean the entire cycling community should be punished for it.
It is also sad that the only thing cycling related everyone knows about is "critical mass". Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I hope I don't get ran over by an angry anti cycling Subaru driver.
It is also sad that the only thing cycling related everyone knows about is "critical mass". Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I hope I don't get ran over by an angry anti cycling Subaru driver.
IMO I think a lot of CM bikers are douches because of the tactics they resort to to try and get they're view out.
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